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		<title>Talk:Life And Death Are Inherent To Each Other</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Carsch: Comment provided by Carsch - via ArticleComments extension&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Life in this material world is an opportunity for the living person to gather the much needed experiences, feelings, compassion and knowledge for his/her spirit to evolve/develop, along with the &amp;quot;interconnections&amp;quot; being establish by such attributes amongst the Conscious and Sub-conscious via the 6th and very seldom 7th senses....which in turn also &amp;quot;interconnects&#039; with all the previous personalities of pass re-incarnations of that particular person.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thus, as a living individual, each stands on a &amp;quot;podium&amp;quot; of sorts, the interface between the non-material and material realms of Creational energy, a balance between the positive and negative forces that shape how his/her world for the better or worst accordingly to Creational Laws...that also applies to those in other realms that have &amp;quot;interconnectivity&amp;quot; to these beings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore one should take the opportunity to fully enhance their life with attributes that promote Creational harmony/balance....then fear of Death is no longer an issue...for the it is then a much needed rest....to continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)“With Death all knowledge and all assets/abilities as well as all &#039;&#039;&#039;potentials&#039;&#039;&#039; - which were accumulated by the personality through thoughts and feelings as well as by actions and emotions and so on - are thus stored and definitively deposited in the memory banks/storage banks,”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There appears to be a translation change from the (Sep 21 2009) in which “possibilities” was changed to “potentials”. That being the case will have huge ramifications to consider regarding the Plejaren’s mission towards Earth humans and correcting the Uncreational interferences responsible for such degenerations and stagnation of numerous spiritual forms being “short circuited” from their true “potentials”. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By combining this concept (or in this case, “inter-connections” to the below statement, hopefully one will logically determine what the term “equational potentials” are about. I’ve tried to explain this on several occasions, but have only recently connected the “missing” parts until now.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“Even if the human commits suicide, she/he does not possess any power over it, for by the self killing (suicide) she/he avoids only the real time, which is fixed by Death.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Suicide, as described by BEAM means to “short circuit” the time frame in which Death was scheduled. Thus one can conclude that the manipulation of the ageing gene also constitutes “suicide” by the Creator Overlords. A deliberate Uncreational violation to deny the ancestors of Earth humans to this day the necessary life cycle of 350-450 years. Earth humans and their spirit forms are denied “exponentially 3-4 life times” of the necessary evolutionary experience and knowledge to evolve.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore, their “equational potentials” have been short circuited and condemned as “suicidal” humans. However, there here lies a dilemma for those higher evolved beings, they can either assist through logical reasoning, or be faced with the risk one day soon that someone may find the “key” to their “equational potentials” and wreak havoc in both the material and non-material realms of existence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One has to consider the various re-incarnations of each individual and also the various hybrid races as each are interconnected via the memory banks and 6th/7th senses. A very potent force indeed&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Therefore committing suicide becomes a fact of destruction and of cowardly escape from life and from the perception of the responsibility, facing life and vis-à-vis to/facing death.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How about self-euthanasia done by a heavily wounded man who knows he will be dead in an hour? He commits suicide to stop the tormenting pain. Does not it show his responsibility of taking care of himself?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
These are just my opinions: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Alive and dead are the states of one&#039;s body, not one&#039;s spirit, since his spirit is always on.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
- After the death of the body the spirit will hybernate, and after the reincarnation the spirit will be active again. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- The spirit is always on and always consumes Creation&#039;s energy, whether in hybernation time or in active time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- I do not know what Creation&#039;s energy is and I want go to bed now.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Life and death are the organic components of evolution. Ego perfects himself through many lives, through his experiences as various personalities with alternating thoughts and feelings, alternating pros and cons, alternating friends and foes, alternating loyalties and treacheries. Transition from one life to the next life can only happen if his spirit hybernates for awhile (several seconds, several days, several millenia, what have you). The transition can only happen through a death. In death time (hybernation time) his spirit refreshes itself and prepares itself to return to material realm, so the Ego could continue his effort to perfect himself. Ego needs many deaths as much as he needs many lives. It is no wonder that he cherishes his deaths as bright as he cherishes his lives.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
It just accrossed my mind some minutes ago. If in this year (2011) Gilgamesh would be dead on this planet at the age of 50,000, his spirit would be in hybernation state for about 75,000 years. His new personality would be born in the year 77,011 when many things have been better on Earth. If his new personality could access his personal storage, which contains fantastic informations from his previous life, he could become a king again while he is still a teenager. He is a lucky monster.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
My second thought. Gilgamesh&#039;s new personality, who will be a non-shapeshifter Earth human, would find it very difficult to understand the informations he gets from his storage because the informations were stored while he was living as an extraterrestrial shapeshifter. He could get some mental images of his kingship in the past life but could not understand them well and use them for his advantages. His chance to become a king again is not big.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Therefore death should never be pushed aside, but should rather be recognized/understood as a friend/comrade for a onwards-life in the hereafter/the great beyond.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Only the death could give the Ego an opportunity to return and perfect himself in the next life. From his present life&#039;s point of view the death is the end, but from his future life&#039;s point of view the death is the start. Recognizing the importance of death and pondering about it over and over would give the Ego some insights to prepare his future deaths and also his future lives.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;If the human thinks about death, then in a certain way an uneasiness strikes him at first, from which he becomes restless, because she/he believes to recognize and to perceive something threatening at the beginning of her/his thoughts and feelings about death.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Human&#039;s anxiety of death is a social product (social construct). Human thinks that death is something threatening because he was taught (by his parents, teachers, preachers) that he will be judged (by God or Devil or Spiderman) in the afterlife and will get punishments for the sins he commited in his life, such as stealing, lying, killing, making fun of sacred texts, denying the holiness of the preachers, refusing to pray, and so on (it is not clear whether masturbating should be categorized as a sin or not). Fear of death is something natural, but anxiety of it is something social.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The anxiety of death have been taught to the Earth children generation after generation by religious organizations using schools and families, with or without state&#039;s support. Studies on death have been suppressed or banned because religious organizations have concluded that the death is God&#039;s mystery which human should not ponder about because it could make human think that there is no God.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hmm, some of us can know for sure when we will die. Well, i am myself intuitive and i have on accoasions felt/sensed what was to happen to me the next hours, days and even next year. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 01:50, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 I agree with most everything you say, Alive. However, i’ll say this: stored information is accessible to all and everyone regardless of whether you have experienced the knowledge or information you need or are seeking. The thing to remember is that we are all ONE with Consciousness. Everyone’s personal experiences are contributing to the whole of Consciousness (consciousness being the action of Creation itself). Thus not only you can access your information, but all of us are naturally and continually accessing everyone else’s stored information as a contribution to the whole and to the expansion of Consciousness. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On another note, if choosing to consciously connect  with any of the information existing within Consciousness (astral travel,  hypnoses, or some other means), to some of us, it becomes a matter of how you translate this information which makes any difference. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 02:27, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Where did you get the information that someone could access someone else&#039;s storage bank? If someone accesses my storage I will call it bank robbery. It is the most dirty crime and should be punished immediately without waiting a court&#039;s decision.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 06:12, 12 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
LOL Alive, there is nothing to hide. We all share that which exists within Consciousness - because we are ONE with it. What you think of as your privacy is only steaming from your personal beliefs. All is being shared even when you don&#039;t think it&#039;s happening. In fact, you are already using part of what others have learned and accumulated through their own personal experiences. Much of our inspiration ideas comes from that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:35, 13 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
By the way, the Pleiadeans (among other people and individuals) are able to tap into that pool of information, for they can know your past, present, and future probabilites and everything else you&#039;ve done. So why would you want to punish them? :D&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:56, 13 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:Life_And_Death_Are_Inherent_To_Each_Other&amp;diff=16866</id>
		<title>Talk:Life And Death Are Inherent To Each Other</title>
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		<updated>2011-07-13T05:35:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Carsch: Comment provided by Carsch - via ArticleComments extension&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Life in this material world is an opportunity for the living person to gather the much needed experiences, feelings, compassion and knowledge for his/her spirit to evolve/develop, along with the &amp;quot;interconnections&amp;quot; being establish by such attributes amongst the Conscious and Sub-conscious via the 6th and very seldom 7th senses....which in turn also &amp;quot;interconnects&#039; with all the previous personalities of pass re-incarnations of that particular person.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thus, as a living individual, each stands on a &amp;quot;podium&amp;quot; of sorts, the interface between the non-material and material realms of Creational energy, a balance between the positive and negative forces that shape how his/her world for the better or worst accordingly to Creational Laws...that also applies to those in other realms that have &amp;quot;interconnectivity&amp;quot; to these beings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore one should take the opportunity to fully enhance their life with attributes that promote Creational harmony/balance....then fear of Death is no longer an issue...for the it is then a much needed rest....to continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)“With Death all knowledge and all assets/abilities as well as all &#039;&#039;&#039;potentials&#039;&#039;&#039; - which were accumulated by the personality through thoughts and feelings as well as by actions and emotions and so on - are thus stored and definitively deposited in the memory banks/storage banks,”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There appears to be a translation change from the (Sep 21 2009) in which “possibilities” was changed to “potentials”. That being the case will have huge ramifications to consider regarding the Plejaren’s mission towards Earth humans and correcting the Uncreational interferences responsible for such degenerations and stagnation of numerous spiritual forms being “short circuited” from their true “potentials”. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By combining this concept (or in this case, “inter-connections” to the below statement, hopefully one will logically determine what the term “equational potentials” are about. I’ve tried to explain this on several occasions, but have only recently connected the “missing” parts until now.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“Even if the human commits suicide, she/he does not possess any power over it, for by the self killing (suicide) she/he avoids only the real time, which is fixed by Death.”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Suicide, as described by BEAM means to “short circuit” the time frame in which Death was scheduled. Thus one can conclude that the manipulation of the ageing gene also constitutes “suicide” by the Creator Overlords. A deliberate Uncreational violation to deny the ancestors of Earth humans to this day the necessary life cycle of 350-450 years. Earth humans and their spirit forms are denied “exponentially 3-4 life times” of the necessary evolutionary experience and knowledge to evolve.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore, their “equational potentials” have been short circuited and condemned as “suicidal” humans. However, there here lies a dilemma for those higher evolved beings, they can either assist through logical reasoning, or be faced with the risk one day soon that someone may find the “key” to their “equational potentials” and wreak havoc in both the material and non-material realms of existence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One has to consider the various re-incarnations of each individual and also the various hybrid races as each are interconnected via the memory banks and 6th/7th senses. A very potent force indeed&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Therefore committing suicide becomes a fact of destruction and of cowardly escape from life and from the perception of the responsibility, facing life and vis-à-vis to/facing death.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How about self-euthanasia done by a heavily wounded man who knows he will be dead in an hour? He commits suicide to stop the tormenting pain. Does not it show his responsibility of taking care of himself?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
These are just my opinions: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Alive and dead are the states of one&#039;s body, not one&#039;s spirit, since his spirit is always on.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
- After the death of the body the spirit will hybernate, and after the reincarnation the spirit will be active again. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- The spirit is always on and always consumes Creation&#039;s energy, whether in hybernation time or in active time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- I do not know what Creation&#039;s energy is and I want go to bed now.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Life and death are the organic components of evolution. Ego perfects himself through many lives, through his experiences as various personalities with alternating thoughts and feelings, alternating pros and cons, alternating friends and foes, alternating loyalties and treacheries. Transition from one life to the next life can only happen if his spirit hybernates for awhile (several seconds, several days, several millenia, what have you). The transition can only happen through a death. In death time (hybernation time) his spirit refreshes itself and prepares itself to return to material realm, so the Ego could continue his effort to perfect himself. Ego needs many deaths as much as he needs many lives. It is no wonder that he cherishes his deaths as bright as he cherishes his lives.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
It just accrossed my mind some minutes ago. If in this year (2011) Gilgamesh would be dead on this planet at the age of 50,000, his spirit would be in hybernation state for about 75,000 years. His new personality would be born in the year 77,011 when many things have been better on Earth. If his new personality could access his personal storage, which contains fantastic informations from his previous life, he could become a king again while he is still a teenager. He is a lucky monster.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
My second thought. Gilgamesh&#039;s new personality, who will be a non-shapeshifter Earth human, would find it very difficult to understand the informations he gets from his storage because the informations were stored while he was living as an extraterrestrial shapeshifter. He could get some mental images of his kingship in the past life but could not understand them well and use them for his advantages. His chance to become a king again is not big.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Therefore death should never be pushed aside, but should rather be recognized/understood as a friend/comrade for a onwards-life in the hereafter/the great beyond.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Only the death could give the Ego an opportunity to return and perfect himself in the next life. From his present life&#039;s point of view the death is the end, but from his future life&#039;s point of view the death is the start. Recognizing the importance of death and pondering about it over and over would give the Ego some insights to prepare his future deaths and also his future lives.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;If the human thinks about death, then in a certain way an uneasiness strikes him at first, from which he becomes restless, because she/he believes to recognize and to perceive something threatening at the beginning of her/his thoughts and feelings about death.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Human&#039;s anxiety of death is a social product (social construct). Human thinks that death is something threatening because he was taught (by his parents, teachers, preachers) that he will be judged (by God or Devil or Spiderman) in the afterlife and will get punishments for the sins he commited in his life, such as stealing, lying, killing, making fun of sacred texts, denying the holiness of the preachers, refusing to pray, and so on (it is not clear whether masturbating should be categorized as a sin or not). Fear of death is something natural, but anxiety of it is something social.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The anxiety of death have been taught to the Earth children generation after generation by religious organizations using schools and families, with or without state&#039;s support. Studies on death have been suppressed or banned because religious organizations have concluded that the death is God&#039;s mystery which human should not ponder about because it could make human think that there is no God.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hmm, some of us can know for sure when we will die. Well, i am myself intuitive and i have on accoasions felt/sensed what was to happen to me the next hours, days and even next year. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 01:50, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 I agree with most everything you say, Alive. However, i’ll say this: stored information is accessible to all and everyone regardless of whether you have experienced the knowledge or information you need or are seeking. The thing to remember is that we are all ONE with Consciousness. Everyone’s personal experiences are contributing to the whole of Consciousness (consciousness being the action of Creation itself). Thus not only you can access your information, but all of us are naturally and continually accessing everyone else’s stored information as a contribution to the whole and to the expansion of Consciousness. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On another note, if choosing to consciously connect  with any of the information existing within Consciousness (astral travel,  hypnoses, or some other means), to some of us, it becomes a matter of how you translate this information which makes any difference. &lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Where did you get the information that someone could access someone else&#039;s storage bank? If someone accesses my storage I will call it bank robbery. It is the most dirty crime and should be punished immediately without waiting a court&#039;s decision.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 06:12, 12 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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LOL Alive, there is nothing to hide. We all share that which exists within Consciousness - because we are ONE with it. What you think of as your privacy is only steaming from your personal beliefs. All is being shared even when you don&#039;t think it&#039;s happening. In fact, you are already using part of what others have learned and accumulated through their own personal experiences. Much of our inspiration ideas comes from that.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:35, 13 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beau Man said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. &lt;br /&gt;
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...&lt;br /&gt;
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don&#039;t join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k&lt;br /&gt;
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--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier&#039;s work, this saddens me.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi AS.&lt;br /&gt;
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:&lt;br /&gt;
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:&lt;br /&gt;
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as &amp;quot;the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex).&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s why &amp;quot;Homo-Sexualität&amp;quot; is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is &amp;quot;gender-intercourse&amp;quot;. It&#039;s basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope this makes sense. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks Sanjin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that&#039;s what would be unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless I&#039;m interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn&#039;t think of a better way of wording it.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality &amp;quot;emerges&amp;quot; for the spirit within each individual.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;feelings&amp;quot; between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one&#039;s spirit because they are connected?&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.&lt;br /&gt;
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it&#039;s natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to  sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?&lt;br /&gt;
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&lt;br /&gt;
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one&#039;s own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships&lt;br /&gt;
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and &amp;quot;Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form&amp;quot;, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called &amp;quot;men&amp;quot;, who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.	Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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3.	This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neckel said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Salome all,&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: &amp;quot;it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:&amp;quot; So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only &amp;quot;natürliche Unnatürlichkeit&amp;quot; that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&amp;amp;NR=1&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neckel said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don&#039;t know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know &amp;quot;what sex&amp;quot; it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......&lt;br /&gt;
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.&lt;br /&gt;
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Moonwalker said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. &lt;br /&gt;
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== Ufofacts said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a good female friend who&#039;s sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian.  They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us.  This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User &amp;amp;quot;Ufofacts&amp;amp;quot;)]] 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?&lt;br /&gt;
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and  Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.&lt;br /&gt;
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!&lt;br /&gt;
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. &lt;br /&gt;
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner.  Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.&lt;br /&gt;
The following citation has some reference to problematic adolescent male elephants and human males that also need to have some hammer hung over their heads to keep them in line and out of trouble. It is relevant to Earthly human males especially the one responsible for much evil and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://miltonconservative.blogspot.com/2011/01/tale-of-adolescent-elephant-rampage.html&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:52, 15 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:11, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
2.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)   &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:37, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:39, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Don’t take my comments out of context to “suit” your agenda assuming I have some “belief” in this subject of homosexuality or other matters as well. Belief is a term I try in earnest to avoid and replace it either with “assume” or aware. As a matter of fact, I did post recently my views on the subject of belief or believing which is a stagnation of creational endeavor. For your as well as other’s reference, I’ll post it again at the end of this post.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, regarding your comments, which is posted here; “Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder.” YOUR QUOTE&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically analyze why there are differences between a male XY and female XX genetic attributes along with its prospective psyche that generates a difference of electrical charge, since humans are electrical/magnetic in nature. Males having a slightly more positive characteristic, while females more robust negative charge. It is NOT to suggest females are negative in any sense, but as in electronics the flow of electrons goes from the negative to positive, BUT the flow of current goes from positive to negative.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution. &lt;br /&gt;
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Now, lets look at the # 2, MINE “2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (Except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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YOURS: “But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that I know not about? :)  &lt;br /&gt;
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Why are you looking for something &amp;quot;out there&amp;quot; when the answers are all within ourselves? Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.&lt;br /&gt;
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BELIEF or BELIEVING&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:45, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments. &lt;br /&gt;
However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiin, do you understand that all of creation is choice, and that there is no wrong and right choices? Do you also understand that whenever you start dictating what is and what is not, you are already creating your own limitations and thus limit yourself in your very expression and experiences, and to some point make your experience more difficult for you (which on the same note, is still your choice to make it difficult for you)? &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And because he said those things, does it mean you (and others) have to believe him? I read what he said about male dancing, and i must say, that made me laugh.....cause it was just non sense. You know, a man can have great powers and abilities and yet be full of it, or just plainly ignorant when it comes to other matters. &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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So, are you saying that there is something wrong with the way creation, or consciousness is?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, i’m a bit puzzled here cause i personally believe that creation is continually evolving and without limitations. Is this what you are also saying here?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would it stagnate its evolution? A thing can be perfect and yet continue to expand (or evolve) beyond what it already is. Yet because it continues to expand does not mean it is imperfect, or not perfect.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, and would it matter if it does not perpetuate the human species? There are those who are no homosexuals who can help perpetuate the human species, if that’s an issue, no?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, that is your belief and perception of ‘what needs be’ in order for one to evolve. Others might have different views and opinion on the subject. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yet we’ve all chosen to experience with our beliefs for the very purpose of expanding. Needless to say, we all hold some kind of belief. Even the Pledians hold their own beliefs, as i can tell.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that it can be replaced with a more harmonic method, however not all beliefs are bad, dangerous or limiting.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It’s a choice. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sheila said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Another thing you may want to think about is how overpopulation is making spirit forms come back too early.  So they may not have gone through the process of changing from female to male or male to female, so in these cases, choice may not have anything to do with it?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 04:56, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Your biggest problem is YOURSELF, yet you won&#039;t admit it...blinded by you EGO, just like many before you and many more after you, all stuck on stupid.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sheila, once you understand that you are your own creator, that you are ONE with god (or Creation), that you create every single aspect of your reality, you will then understand that nothing, and absolutely nothing, is left to circumstances. Overpopulation has nothing to do with anything. In fact, overpopulation is nothing but a myth and is becoming a belief among many.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, everyone’s biggest problem, if any, is but themselves. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:12, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sheila, in truth our planet can accommodate more people than we already have. But because we do not manage our resources efficiently, we generate the mass belief that we have overpopulated our planet. It is not necessarily a question of over population. It is more a question of resource management.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:26, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sheila said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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No Carsch, it does have to do with overpopulation, over 8 billion now, where will it end?  After we are done killing all the animals to make room for more humans (I already see this happening now, so it can only get worse)?  Overpopulation is a fact and not a myth like you claim, must be the leftover catholic way of thinking you have.  We need to stop multiplying, it really is that simple.  Proper management of resources, lol.  Who the heck are you trying to fool.  They have all been exploited and you have no say what these corporations do with the resources.  Are you planning on buying out haliburton, just so you can have a say on how they are used?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 04:56, 11 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Markvd said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Education is important and with our overpopulation schools are losing quality teachers and not enough room for all students. That is but one simple way to gauge intelligence of leadership and that is not very well defined right now. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 08:36, 11 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Overpopulation is a fact only because we are being taught to believe it as a fact. But then you’re probably thinking of the cities, cause that is what’s overpopulated. Hey, but you believe in what you want, right? :) &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:26, 13 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Mark, our leaders aren&#039;t efficient people, and when they screw up, they&#039;ll only tell you what they see from their limited perspectives. And if we all believe them, we&#039;ll continue to be as screwed as they make things and want you to believe them. Hey, life goes on. ;)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:29, 13 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beau Man said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. &lt;br /&gt;
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...&lt;br /&gt;
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don&#039;t join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k&lt;br /&gt;
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--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier&#039;s work, this saddens me.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:&lt;br /&gt;
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:&lt;br /&gt;
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as &amp;quot;the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex).&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s why &amp;quot;Homo-Sexualität&amp;quot; is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is &amp;quot;gender-intercourse&amp;quot;. It&#039;s basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope this makes sense. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks Sanjin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that&#039;s what would be unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless I&#039;m interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn&#039;t think of a better way of wording it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality &amp;quot;emerges&amp;quot; for the spirit within each individual.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;feelings&amp;quot; between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one&#039;s spirit because they are connected?&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.&lt;br /&gt;
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it&#039;s natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to  sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?&lt;br /&gt;
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&lt;br /&gt;
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one&#039;s own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:&lt;br /&gt;
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No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and &amp;quot;Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form&amp;quot;, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called &amp;quot;men&amp;quot;, who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. &lt;br /&gt;
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.	Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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3.	This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Salome all,&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: &amp;quot;it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:&amp;quot; So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only &amp;quot;natürliche Unnatürlichkeit&amp;quot; that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.&lt;br /&gt;
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.&lt;br /&gt;
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don&#039;t know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know &amp;quot;what sex&amp;quot; it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......&lt;br /&gt;
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.&lt;br /&gt;
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.&lt;br /&gt;
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. &lt;br /&gt;
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a good female friend who&#039;s sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian.  They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us.  This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.&lt;br /&gt;
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?&lt;br /&gt;
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and  Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.&lt;br /&gt;
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!&lt;br /&gt;
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. &lt;br /&gt;
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner.  Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
2.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)   &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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Don’t take my comments out of context to “suit” your agenda assuming I have some “belief” in this subject of homosexuality or other matters as well. Belief is a term I try in earnest to avoid and replace it either with “assume” or aware. As a matter of fact, I did post recently my views on the subject of belief or believing which is a stagnation of creational endeavor. For your as well as other’s reference, I’ll post it again at the end of this post.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, regarding your comments, which is posted here; “Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder.” YOUR QUOTE&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically analyze why there are differences between a male XY and female XX genetic attributes along with its prospective psyche that generates a difference of electrical charge, since humans are electrical/magnetic in nature. Males having a slightly more positive characteristic, while females more robust negative charge. It is NOT to suggest females are negative in any sense, but as in electronics the flow of electrons goes from the negative to positive, BUT the flow of current goes from positive to negative.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution. &lt;br /&gt;
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Now, lets look at the # 2, MINE “2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (Except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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YOURS: “But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that I know not about? :)  &lt;br /&gt;
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Why are you looking for something &amp;quot;out there&amp;quot; when the answers are all within ourselves? Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.&lt;br /&gt;
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BELIEF or BELIEVING&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:45, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments. &lt;br /&gt;
However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiin, do you understand that all of creation is choice, and that there is no wrong and right choices? Do you also understand that whenever you start dictating what is and what is not, you are already creating your own limitations and thus limit yourself in your very expression and experiences, and to some point make your experience more difficult for you (which on the same note, is still your choice to make it difficult for you)? &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And because he said those things, does it mean you (and others) have to believe him? I read what he said about male dancing, and i must say, that made me laugh.....cause it was just non sense. You know, a man can have great powers and abilities and yet be full of it, or just plainly ignorant when it comes to other matters. &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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So, are you saying that there is something wrong with the way creation, or consciousness is?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, i’m a bit puzzled here cause i personally believe that creation is continually evolving and without limitations. Is this what you are also saying here?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would it stagnate its evolution? A thing can be perfect and yet continue to expand (or evolve) beyond what it already is. Yet because it continues to expand does not mean it is imperfect, or not perfect.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, and would it matter if it does not perpetuate the human species? There are those who are no homosexuals who can help perpetuate the human species, if that’s an issue, no?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, that is your belief and perception of ‘what needs be’ in order for one to evolve. Others might have different views and opinion on the subject. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yet we’ve all chosen to experience with our beliefs for the very purpose of expanding. Needless to say, we all hold some kind of belief. Even the Pledians hold their own beliefs, as i can tell.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that it can be replaced with a more harmonic method, however not all beliefs are bad, dangerous or limiting.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It’s a choice. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Another thing you may want to think about is how overpopulation is making spirit forms come back too early.  So they may not have gone through the process of changing from female to male or male to female, so in these cases, choice may not have anything to do with it?&lt;br /&gt;
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Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Your biggest problem is YOURSELF, yet you won&#039;t admit it...blinded by you EGO, just like many before you and many more after you, all stuck on stupid.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sheila, once you understand that you are your own creator, that you are ONE with god (or Creation), that you create every single aspect of your reality, you will then understand that nothing, and absolutely nothing, is left to circumstances. Overpopulation has nothing to do with anything. In fact, overpopulation is nothing but a myth and is becoming a belief among many.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, everyone’s biggest problem, if any, is but themselves. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:12, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sheila, in truth our planet can accommodate more people than we already have. But because we do not manage our resources efficiently, we generate the mass belief that we have overpopulated our planet. It is not necessarily a question of over population. It is more a question of resource management.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:26, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sheila said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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No Carsch, it does have to do with overpopulation, over 8 billion now, where will it end?  After we are done killing all the animals to make room for more humans (I already see this happening now, so it can only get worse)?  Overpopulation is a fact and not a myth like you claim, must be the leftover catholic way of thinking you have.  We need to stop multiplying, it really is that simple.  Proper management of resources, lol.  Who the heck are you trying to fool.  They have all been exploited and you have no say what these corporations do with the resources.  Are you planning on buying out haliburton, just so you can have a say on how they are used?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 04:56, 11 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Education is important and with our overpopulation schools are losing quality teachers and not enough room for all students. That is but one simple way to gauge intelligence of leadership and that is not very well defined right now. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Overpopulation is a fact only because we are being taught to believe it as a fact. But then you’re probably thinking of the cities, cause that is what’s overpopulated. Hey, but you believe in what you want, right? :) &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:26, 13 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 18:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)Just a note that Beobachter basically means supervisor.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello Sanjin,&lt;br /&gt;
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Im sure you have good intensions and alot to offer regarding translations, However some of your translation &amp;quot;corrections&amp;quot; you have done to the OM page here are incorrect.  I dont know if your &amp;quot;corrections&amp;quot; are based on your on interpretations of the german text and what you think is ment by what is written.  Please consider the following of which I do not have time to go through all of the changes you have made.  I have found more &amp;quot;correction&amp;quot; errors:&lt;br /&gt;
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German - 10. Sie erhoben sich auf der Erde widerrechtlich über die Menschen, sich Gott nennend, den Schöpfer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Original translation - 10. They elevated themselves on the Earth unlawfully above the humans, named themselves God, the Creator.&lt;br /&gt;
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Your translation - 10. They elevated themselves on the Earth unrightfully above the humans, named themselves God, the Creator.&lt;br /&gt;
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The german word &#039;&#039;&#039;widerrechtlich&#039;&#039;&#039; when tranlated by Google means &#039;&#039;&#039;illegally&#039;&#039;&#039;.  unlawfully and illegally are pretty much the same thing.  &lt;br /&gt;
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German - 15. Und viele der Götter waren ausgeartet und bösartig, besessen von Machtgier und allem Uebel.&lt;br /&gt;
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Original translation - 15. And many of the Gods were degenerated and malicious, obsessed by power and all evil.&lt;br /&gt;
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Your translation - 15. And many of the Gods were degenerated and malicious, obsessed by greed for power and all evil.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;obsessed by power and all evil&#039;&#039;&#039; when translated is &#039;&#039;&#039;besessen von Macht und allen Übels&#039;&#039;&#039; which is the same as the German&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;obsessed by greed for power and all evil&#039;&#039;&#039; translates to something which has a added words &#039;&#039;&#039;besessen von der Gier nach Machtund allen Übels&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
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There fore you have added the English translation new words which are not in the german original&lt;br /&gt;
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German - 18. Also folgten die Völker dem jeweiligen Gott ihrer Religion, und sie verfielen in die Finsternis des Glaubens&lt;br /&gt;
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Original translation - 18. Therefore the people followed the particular God of their religion, and they became slaves in the darkness of faith  &lt;br /&gt;
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Your translation - 18. Therefore the people followed the particular God of their religion, and they became slaves in the darkness of believing   &lt;br /&gt;
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The german word &#039;&#039;&#039;Glaubens&#039;&#039;&#039; when tranlated by Google means &#039;&#039;&#039;faith&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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I do not mean to pick on you personally. I do feel that any translation changes must be past to FIGU first and/or the original translators.  Then they can say yes or no to the changes before the changes are made here.  I know some of the people who do the translations which are regulary posted on this site.  The translation are sometimes double and triple checked and corrected before they are posted here.&lt;br /&gt;
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I myself do not have a problem with corrections to translations but I ask you to please contact FIGU or the original translators and send them your changes before changing them here&lt;br /&gt;
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Note:I know the truth now.I let go of stupid religion because of the truth.Next, I will follow the laws of Creation and Spiritual laws.The victory reward is worth billions of years for my evolution to higher spirit form and this gets me closer to creation.More lives to live,more wisdom to gain,real love to grow,perhaps I will travel and look back at my own Milky Way Galaxy.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Stephen.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, I had not noticed your post right away, but I can explain why I made those changes.&lt;br /&gt;
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The german word widerrechtlich is a compound word of wider (contrary or against) and rechtlich (rightly). It is not illegal, because there is also a German word legal, which has the same meaning as in English. The reason why I don&#039;t like illegal is because it is usually used in the context of governmental law authority. Not saying that it is wrong to translate it as such, but it should be something that expresses moral unlawfulness. Unlawful also has a German word which is &amp;quot;ungesetzlich&amp;quot;, whereby Gesetz is law. Therefore:&lt;br /&gt;
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wider-recht-lich -&amp;gt; un-right-ly (I put down unrightfully, because I could not initially find unrightly in my dictionary. But the Oxford English Dictionary confirmed that there actually is such a word. I&#039;ll probably change it eventually to unrightly)&lt;br /&gt;
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Machtgier is a compound word, for which there is no equal word in the English language. It comes from Macht-Gier (might-greed). The original was not translated properly, because it was missing -greed-. Now that I look at it again, I think it should be &amp;quot;...possessed by greed for might and all evil&amp;quot;. Germans have only one word for possessed and obsessed, and it should be selected depending on context.&lt;br /&gt;
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Regarding the word &amp;quot;Glauben&amp;quot; it is the same thing. There is only one word &amp;quot;Glauben&amp;quot; for both faith and belief. I was not aware of that when I was correcting it. &lt;br /&gt;
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Also, you will find that in a lot of these initial translations, Macht was translated as power. That is because people in the English world usually use power in the context where Germans say Macht. But it can be easily seen that might and Macht have the same roots:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Old English miht; compare Old High German maht, Dutch macht&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 03:43, 26 April 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Kanon 52&lt;br /&gt;
40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, that never allows injury, suffering or pain to be inflicted upon a life form. &lt;br /&gt;
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This verse seems illogical since Creation does not stop injury, suffering or pain. I do not know German very well but it seems like this verse is possibly miss translated. I put the verse through the Google translator and got:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;But urges the creation of life and love and the determination that a life form never harm or pain or suffering must be inflicted.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So I would venture that for the verse be more logical it would have to be more like this:&lt;br /&gt;
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40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, and does not determine that a life form inflict harm, pain or suffering. &lt;br /&gt;
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40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, and never determines a life form to  allow injury, suffering or pain to be inflicted.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Ike|Ike]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow!! Religion is not going away. It&#039;s still here but in different forms....i&#039;m referring to some of the things i just read on this page (kanon)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:57, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wow!! Religion is not going away. It&#039;s still here but in different forms....i&#039;m referring to some of the things i just read on this page (kanon) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So Carsch, are you endorsing religions and the parasite &amp;quot;gods&amp;quot; after all its negative results on humanity?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 09:37, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
On the contrary, Hawiian. This site is sounding a bit too much religious for my taste. I thought it would be fun for me to hang around for a while, but then..... you can&#039;t go against others&#039; beliefs. I&#039;ll move on. :)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 18:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== RemR said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
And some do not understand the difference between religion and spirituality. I &#039;&#039;think&#039;&#039; most people &#039;&#039;believe&#039;&#039; that they are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It doesn&#039;t have to be religious for it to be spiritual (of spiritual nature - the spirit of the human being and not the spirit of some kind of god out there).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:RemRobinson|RemR]] 14:29, 10 July 2011 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I agree. However, a quick look at the recommendation page and this very page (OM), one will see similarities with the bible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Truth, or Creation doesn&#039;t need any books, any recommendations, any rules or laws to be followed. It does not push, force and demmnd anything from anyone. We human beings do – because of our adopted ways and belief systems.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 22:34, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Sheila said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Carsch, you&#039;re right, in a perfect world the truth of creation would never give any laws because the laws would be so ingrained in us, that we would never have to wonder if we are making the right choices.  However our world is not perfect, far from it and currently people need laws to live by as guidance.  You seem to be of the mindset that you are incapable of doing something wrong because nothing is ever wrong.  That&#039;s a very delusional way of thinking.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 04:24, 11 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Sheila, as long as you keep looking at what “others need” instead of what “you need”, you aren’t living your truth or deciding for yourself. “What others need” is perception. Others don’t need anything other than this we project on to them. Thus any laws is a thing of your own creation; for that is what you perceive that needs be. Yet everyone will perceive differently. But would you know that despite what the reasoning mind sees to be the right choice, the right action or direction, it is almost never what appears to be?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;“You seem to be of the mindset that you are incapable of doing something wrong because nothing is ever wrong. That&#039;s a very delusional way of thinking. “&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now, yes, there is good and bad, right and wrong – in the sense that we understand them as we do. And that is perfectly valid. However, outside of such human notions, within ourselves, in the nature of who we truly are in spirit, there are no such things. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The idea, thus, would be to understand why we create such notions about right and wrong, good and bad, and how these go about affecting us in our every day experienced realities. Of course, from our human standing point, we will find all kinds of valid reasons. However, we want to move on, change our present experiences so to experience different than what we’ve been experiencing till now, do we not? If this is the case, we need to start looking at ourselves a bit closer – not exactly what others are doing, but what we (the individual) are doing, and how our actions are affecting us. Judging yourself and others and finding faults aren’t going to help fix anything here. Nor is our (the individual) attempt to fix or change others going to work. If you believe it will work, or that there is a system that will make it work, you are being illusive.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
They say the outside is a reflection of the inside. If we accept this as a truth, then in order to change that outer reflection, we must work on what’s inside. What is inside? The individual himself. It is you, and not the others or what you see at fault. Each and everyone of us are creating our own realities, and this is regardless of what we want to think or reason here with our human minds. If we want to see anything, we must go inside – there is where all the answers are found.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thus good and bad, right and wrong cannot be but what is being reflected outwardly from within the inner being. Let go the idea that there needs to be good and bad, right and wrong ( it’s nevertheless a process in itself and requires some work), and you’ll reflect that on your outer world and reality. However, if you keep choosing to believe that there is or has to be always right and wrong, it is then what you’ll create in your reality.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:18, 13 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Carsch</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:OM&amp;diff=16836</id>
		<title>Talk:OM</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:OM&amp;diff=16836"/>
		<updated>2011-07-10T21:34:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Carsch: Comment provided by Carsch - via ArticleComments extension&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 18:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)Just a note that Beobachter basically means supervisor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Stephen Moore [[Ufofacts]] 13 October 2009&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hello Sanjin,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Im sure you have good intensions and alot to offer regarding translations, However some of your translation &amp;quot;corrections&amp;quot; you have done to the OM page here are incorrect.  I dont know if your &amp;quot;corrections&amp;quot; are based on your on interpretations of the german text and what you think is ment by what is written.  Please consider the following of which I do not have time to go through all of the changes you have made.  I have found more &amp;quot;correction&amp;quot; errors:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
German - 10. Sie erhoben sich auf der Erde widerrechtlich über die Menschen, sich Gott nennend, den Schöpfer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Original translation - 10. They elevated themselves on the Earth unlawfully above the humans, named themselves God, the Creator.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Your translation - 10. They elevated themselves on the Earth unrightfully above the humans, named themselves God, the Creator.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The german word &#039;&#039;&#039;widerrechtlich&#039;&#039;&#039; when tranlated by Google means &#039;&#039;&#039;illegally&#039;&#039;&#039;.  unlawfully and illegally are pretty much the same thing.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
German - 15. Und viele der Götter waren ausgeartet und bösartig, besessen von Machtgier und allem Uebel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Original translation - 15. And many of the Gods were degenerated and malicious, obsessed by power and all evil.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Your translation - 15. And many of the Gods were degenerated and malicious, obsessed by greed for power and all evil.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;obsessed by power and all evil&#039;&#039;&#039; when translated is &#039;&#039;&#039;besessen von Macht und allen Übels&#039;&#039;&#039; which is the same as the German&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;obsessed by greed for power and all evil&#039;&#039;&#039; translates to something which has a added words &#039;&#039;&#039;besessen von der Gier nach Machtund allen Übels&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There fore you have added the English translation new words which are not in the german original&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
German - 18. Also folgten die Völker dem jeweiligen Gott ihrer Religion, und sie verfielen in die Finsternis des Glaubens&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Original translation - 18. Therefore the people followed the particular God of their religion, and they became slaves in the darkness of faith  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Your translation - 18. Therefore the people followed the particular God of their religion, and they became slaves in the darkness of believing   &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The german word &#039;&#039;&#039;Glaubens&#039;&#039;&#039; when tranlated by Google means &#039;&#039;&#039;faith&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I do not mean to pick on you personally. I do feel that any translation changes must be past to FIGU first and/or the original translators.  Then they can say yes or no to the changes before the changes are made here.  I know some of the people who do the translations which are regulary posted on this site.  The translation are sometimes double and triple checked and corrected before they are posted here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I myself do not have a problem with corrections to translations but I ask you to please contact FIGU or the original translators and send them your changes before changing them here&lt;br /&gt;
== Bigfoot said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Note:I know the truth now.I let go of stupid religion because of the truth.Next, I will follow the laws of Creation and Spiritual laws.The victory reward is worth billions of years for my evolution to higher spirit form and this gets me closer to creation.More lives to live,more wisdom to gain,real love to grow,perhaps I will travel and look back at my own Milky Way Galaxy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--Bigfoot 07:14, 21 April 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Stephen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry, I had not noticed your post right away, but I can explain why I made those changes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The german word widerrechtlich is a compound word of wider (contrary or against) and rechtlich (rightly). It is not illegal, because there is also a German word legal, which has the same meaning as in English. The reason why I don&#039;t like illegal is because it is usually used in the context of governmental law authority. Not saying that it is wrong to translate it as such, but it should be something that expresses moral unlawfulness. Unlawful also has a German word which is &amp;quot;ungesetzlich&amp;quot;, whereby Gesetz is law. Therefore:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
English -&amp;gt; German&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
law -&amp;gt; Gesetz&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
legal -&amp;gt; legal&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
right -&amp;gt; Recht&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
wider-recht-lich -&amp;gt; un-right-ly (I put down unrightfully, because I could not initially find unrightly in my dictionary. But the Oxford English Dictionary confirmed that there actually is such a word. I&#039;ll probably change it eventually to unrightly)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Machtgier is a compound word, for which there is no equal word in the English language. It comes from Macht-Gier (might-greed). The original was not translated properly, because it was missing -greed-. Now that I look at it again, I think it should be &amp;quot;...possessed by greed for might and all evil&amp;quot;. Germans have only one word for possessed and obsessed, and it should be selected depending on context.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Regarding the word &amp;quot;Glauben&amp;quot; it is the same thing. There is only one word &amp;quot;Glauben&amp;quot; for both faith and belief. I was not aware of that when I was correcting it. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Salome,&lt;br /&gt;
Sanjin&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--Sanjin 03:33, 26 April 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Also, you will find that in a lot of these initial translations, Macht was translated as power. That is because people in the English world usually use power in the context where Germans say Macht. But it can be easily seen that might and Macht have the same roots:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Old English miht; compare Old High German maht, Dutch macht&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 03:43, 26 April 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Ike said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Kanon 52&lt;br /&gt;
40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, that never allows injury, suffering or pain to be inflicted upon a life form. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This verse seems illogical since Creation does not stop injury, suffering or pain. I do not know German very well but it seems like this verse is possibly miss translated. I put the verse through the Google translator and got:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;But urges the creation of life and love and the determination that a life form never harm or pain or suffering must be inflicted.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So I would venture that for the verse be more logical it would have to be more like this:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, and does not determine that a life form inflict harm, pain or suffering. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
or&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, and never determines a life form to  allow injury, suffering or pain to be inflicted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Ike|Ike]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Wow!! Religion is not going away. It&#039;s still here but in different forms....i&#039;m referring to some of the things i just read on this page (kanon)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:57, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wow!! Religion is not going away. It&#039;s still here but in different forms....i&#039;m referring to some of the things i just read on this page (kanon) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So Carsch, are you endorsing religions and the parasite &amp;quot;gods&amp;quot; after all its negative results on humanity?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 09:37, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
On the contrary, Hawiian. This site is sounding a bit too much religious for my taste. I thought it would be fun for me to hang around for a while, but then..... you can&#039;t go against others&#039; beliefs. I&#039;ll move on. :)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 18:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== RemR said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
And some do not understand the difference between religion and spirituality. I &#039;&#039;think&#039;&#039; most people &#039;&#039;believe&#039;&#039; that they are synonymous.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It doesn&#039;t have to be religious for it to be spiritual (of spiritual nature - the spirit of the human being and not the spirit of some kind of god out there).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:RemRobinson|RemR]] 14:29, 10 July 2011 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I agree. However, a quick look at the recommendation page and this very page (OM), one will see similarities with the bible. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Truth, or Creation doesn&#039;t need any books, any recommendations, any rules or laws to be followed. It does not push, force and demmnd anything from anyone. We human beings do – because of our adopted ways and belief systems.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 22:34, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Carsch</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:OM&amp;diff=16830</id>
		<title>Talk:OM</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:OM&amp;diff=16830"/>
		<updated>2011-07-10T17:10:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Carsch: Comment provided by Carsch - via ArticleComments extension&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 18:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)Just a note that Beobachter basically means supervisor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Stephen Moore [[Ufofacts]] 13 October 2009&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hello Sanjin,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Im sure you have good intensions and alot to offer regarding translations, However some of your translation &amp;quot;corrections&amp;quot; you have done to the OM page here are incorrect.  I dont know if your &amp;quot;corrections&amp;quot; are based on your on interpretations of the german text and what you think is ment by what is written.  Please consider the following of which I do not have time to go through all of the changes you have made.  I have found more &amp;quot;correction&amp;quot; errors:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
German - 10. Sie erhoben sich auf der Erde widerrechtlich über die Menschen, sich Gott nennend, den Schöpfer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Original translation - 10. They elevated themselves on the Earth unlawfully above the humans, named themselves God, the Creator.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Your translation - 10. They elevated themselves on the Earth unrightfully above the humans, named themselves God, the Creator.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The german word &#039;&#039;&#039;widerrechtlich&#039;&#039;&#039; when tranlated by Google means &#039;&#039;&#039;illegally&#039;&#039;&#039;.  unlawfully and illegally are pretty much the same thing.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
German - 15. Und viele der Götter waren ausgeartet und bösartig, besessen von Machtgier und allem Uebel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Original translation - 15. And many of the Gods were degenerated and malicious, obsessed by power and all evil.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Your translation - 15. And many of the Gods were degenerated and malicious, obsessed by greed for power and all evil.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;obsessed by power and all evil&#039;&#039;&#039; when translated is &#039;&#039;&#039;besessen von Macht und allen Übels&#039;&#039;&#039; which is the same as the German&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;obsessed by greed for power and all evil&#039;&#039;&#039; translates to something which has a added words &#039;&#039;&#039;besessen von der Gier nach Machtund allen Übels&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There fore you have added the English translation new words which are not in the german original&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
German - 18. Also folgten die Völker dem jeweiligen Gott ihrer Religion, und sie verfielen in die Finsternis des Glaubens&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Original translation - 18. Therefore the people followed the particular God of their religion, and they became slaves in the darkness of faith  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Your translation - 18. Therefore the people followed the particular God of their religion, and they became slaves in the darkness of believing   &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The german word &#039;&#039;&#039;Glaubens&#039;&#039;&#039; when tranlated by Google means &#039;&#039;&#039;faith&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I do not mean to pick on you personally. I do feel that any translation changes must be past to FIGU first and/or the original translators.  Then they can say yes or no to the changes before the changes are made here.  I know some of the people who do the translations which are regulary posted on this site.  The translation are sometimes double and triple checked and corrected before they are posted here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I myself do not have a problem with corrections to translations but I ask you to please contact FIGU or the original translators and send them your changes before changing them here&lt;br /&gt;
== Bigfoot said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Note:I know the truth now.I let go of stupid religion because of the truth.Next, I will follow the laws of Creation and Spiritual laws.The victory reward is worth billions of years for my evolution to higher spirit form and this gets me closer to creation.More lives to live,more wisdom to gain,real love to grow,perhaps I will travel and look back at my own Milky Way Galaxy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--Bigfoot 07:14, 21 April 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Stephen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sorry, I had not noticed your post right away, but I can explain why I made those changes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The german word widerrechtlich is a compound word of wider (contrary or against) and rechtlich (rightly). It is not illegal, because there is also a German word legal, which has the same meaning as in English. The reason why I don&#039;t like illegal is because it is usually used in the context of governmental law authority. Not saying that it is wrong to translate it as such, but it should be something that expresses moral unlawfulness. Unlawful also has a German word which is &amp;quot;ungesetzlich&amp;quot;, whereby Gesetz is law. Therefore:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
English -&amp;gt; German&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
law -&amp;gt; Gesetz&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
legal -&amp;gt; legal&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
right -&amp;gt; Recht&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
wider-recht-lich -&amp;gt; un-right-ly (I put down unrightfully, because I could not initially find unrightly in my dictionary. But the Oxford English Dictionary confirmed that there actually is such a word. I&#039;ll probably change it eventually to unrightly)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Machtgier is a compound word, for which there is no equal word in the English language. It comes from Macht-Gier (might-greed). The original was not translated properly, because it was missing -greed-. Now that I look at it again, I think it should be &amp;quot;...possessed by greed for might and all evil&amp;quot;. Germans have only one word for possessed and obsessed, and it should be selected depending on context.&lt;br /&gt;
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Regarding the word &amp;quot;Glauben&amp;quot; it is the same thing. There is only one word &amp;quot;Glauben&amp;quot; for both faith and belief. I was not aware of that when I was correcting it. &lt;br /&gt;
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Salome,&lt;br /&gt;
Sanjin&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 03:33, 26 April 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Also, you will find that in a lot of these initial translations, Macht was translated as power. That is because people in the English world usually use power in the context where Germans say Macht. But it can be easily seen that might and Macht have the same roots:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Old English miht; compare Old High German maht, Dutch macht&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 03:43, 26 April 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ike said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Kanon 52&lt;br /&gt;
40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, that never allows injury, suffering or pain to be inflicted upon a life form. &lt;br /&gt;
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This verse seems illogical since Creation does not stop injury, suffering or pain. I do not know German very well but it seems like this verse is possibly miss translated. I put the verse through the Google translator and got:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;But urges the creation of life and love and the determination that a life form never harm or pain or suffering must be inflicted.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So I would venture that for the verse be more logical it would have to be more like this:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, and does not determine that a life form inflict harm, pain or suffering. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
or&lt;br /&gt;
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40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, and never determines a life form to  allow injury, suffering or pain to be inflicted.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Ike|Ike]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Wow!! Religion is not going away. It&#039;s still here but in different forms....i&#039;m referring to some of the things i just read on this page (kanon)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:57, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow!! Religion is not going away. It&#039;s still here but in different forms....i&#039;m referring to some of the things i just read on this page (kanon) &lt;br /&gt;
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So Carsch, are you endorsing religions and the parasite &amp;quot;gods&amp;quot; after all its negative results on humanity?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 09:37, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
On the contrary, Hawiian. This site is sounding a bit too much religious for my taste. I thought it would be fun for me to hang around for a while, but then..... you can&#039;t go against others&#039; beliefs. I&#039;ll move on. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 18:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<author><name>Carsch</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:OM&amp;diff=16780</id>
		<title>Talk:OM</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:OM&amp;diff=16780"/>
		<updated>2011-07-10T06:57:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Carsch: Comment provided by Carsch - via ArticleComments extension&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 18:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)Just a note that Beobachter basically means supervisor.&lt;br /&gt;
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Stephen Moore [[Ufofacts]] 13 October 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello Sanjin,&lt;br /&gt;
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Im sure you have good intensions and alot to offer regarding translations, However some of your translation &amp;quot;corrections&amp;quot; you have done to the OM page here are incorrect.  I dont know if your &amp;quot;corrections&amp;quot; are based on your on interpretations of the german text and what you think is ment by what is written.  Please consider the following of which I do not have time to go through all of the changes you have made.  I have found more &amp;quot;correction&amp;quot; errors:&lt;br /&gt;
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German - 10. Sie erhoben sich auf der Erde widerrechtlich über die Menschen, sich Gott nennend, den Schöpfer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Original translation - 10. They elevated themselves on the Earth unlawfully above the humans, named themselves God, the Creator.&lt;br /&gt;
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Your translation - 10. They elevated themselves on the Earth unrightfully above the humans, named themselves God, the Creator.&lt;br /&gt;
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The german word &#039;&#039;&#039;widerrechtlich&#039;&#039;&#039; when tranlated by Google means &#039;&#039;&#039;illegally&#039;&#039;&#039;.  unlawfully and illegally are pretty much the same thing.  &lt;br /&gt;
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German - 15. Und viele der Götter waren ausgeartet und bösartig, besessen von Machtgier und allem Uebel.&lt;br /&gt;
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Original translation - 15. And many of the Gods were degenerated and malicious, obsessed by power and all evil.&lt;br /&gt;
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Your translation - 15. And many of the Gods were degenerated and malicious, obsessed by greed for power and all evil.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;obsessed by power and all evil&#039;&#039;&#039; when translated is &#039;&#039;&#039;besessen von Macht und allen Übels&#039;&#039;&#039; which is the same as the German&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;obsessed by greed for power and all evil&#039;&#039;&#039; translates to something which has a added words &#039;&#039;&#039;besessen von der Gier nach Machtund allen Übels&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
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There fore you have added the English translation new words which are not in the german original&lt;br /&gt;
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German - 18. Also folgten die Völker dem jeweiligen Gott ihrer Religion, und sie verfielen in die Finsternis des Glaubens&lt;br /&gt;
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Original translation - 18. Therefore the people followed the particular God of their religion, and they became slaves in the darkness of faith  &lt;br /&gt;
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Your translation - 18. Therefore the people followed the particular God of their religion, and they became slaves in the darkness of believing   &lt;br /&gt;
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The german word &#039;&#039;&#039;Glaubens&#039;&#039;&#039; when tranlated by Google means &#039;&#039;&#039;faith&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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I do not mean to pick on you personally. I do feel that any translation changes must be past to FIGU first and/or the original translators.  Then they can say yes or no to the changes before the changes are made here.  I know some of the people who do the translations which are regulary posted on this site.  The translation are sometimes double and triple checked and corrected before they are posted here.&lt;br /&gt;
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I myself do not have a problem with corrections to translations but I ask you to please contact FIGU or the original translators and send them your changes before changing them here&lt;br /&gt;
== Bigfoot said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Note:I know the truth now.I let go of stupid religion because of the truth.Next, I will follow the laws of Creation and Spiritual laws.The victory reward is worth billions of years for my evolution to higher spirit form and this gets me closer to creation.More lives to live,more wisdom to gain,real love to grow,perhaps I will travel and look back at my own Milky Way Galaxy.&lt;br /&gt;
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--Bigfoot 07:14, 21 April 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Stephen.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, I had not noticed your post right away, but I can explain why I made those changes.&lt;br /&gt;
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The german word widerrechtlich is a compound word of wider (contrary or against) and rechtlich (rightly). It is not illegal, because there is also a German word legal, which has the same meaning as in English. The reason why I don&#039;t like illegal is because it is usually used in the context of governmental law authority. Not saying that it is wrong to translate it as such, but it should be something that expresses moral unlawfulness. Unlawful also has a German word which is &amp;quot;ungesetzlich&amp;quot;, whereby Gesetz is law. Therefore:&lt;br /&gt;
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English -&amp;gt; German&lt;br /&gt;
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law -&amp;gt; Gesetz&lt;br /&gt;
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legal -&amp;gt; legal&lt;br /&gt;
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right -&amp;gt; Recht&lt;br /&gt;
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wider-recht-lich -&amp;gt; un-right-ly (I put down unrightfully, because I could not initially find unrightly in my dictionary. But the Oxford English Dictionary confirmed that there actually is such a word. I&#039;ll probably change it eventually to unrightly)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Machtgier is a compound word, for which there is no equal word in the English language. It comes from Macht-Gier (might-greed). The original was not translated properly, because it was missing -greed-. Now that I look at it again, I think it should be &amp;quot;...possessed by greed for might and all evil&amp;quot;. Germans have only one word for possessed and obsessed, and it should be selected depending on context.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Regarding the word &amp;quot;Glauben&amp;quot; it is the same thing. There is only one word &amp;quot;Glauben&amp;quot; for both faith and belief. I was not aware of that when I was correcting it. &lt;br /&gt;
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Salome,&lt;br /&gt;
Sanjin&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 03:33, 26 April 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Also, you will find that in a lot of these initial translations, Macht was translated as power. That is because people in the English world usually use power in the context where Germans say Macht. But it can be easily seen that might and Macht have the same roots:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Old English miht; compare Old High German maht, Dutch macht&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 03:43, 26 April 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Ike said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Kanon 52&lt;br /&gt;
40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, that never allows injury, suffering or pain to be inflicted upon a life form. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This verse seems illogical since Creation does not stop injury, suffering or pain. I do not know German very well but it seems like this verse is possibly miss translated. I put the verse through the Google translator and got:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;But urges the creation of life and love and the determination that a life form never harm or pain or suffering must be inflicted.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So I would venture that for the verse be more logical it would have to be more like this:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, and does not determine that a life form inflict harm, pain or suffering. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
or&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
40. Creation however promotes life and love and destiny, and never determines a life form to  allow injury, suffering or pain to be inflicted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Ike|Ike]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Wow!! Religion is not going away. It&#039;s still here but in different forms....i&#039;m referring to some of the things i just read on this page (kanon)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:57, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Carsch</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&amp;diff=16779</id>
		<title>Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&amp;diff=16779"/>
		<updated>2011-07-10T06:26:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Carsch: Comment provided by Carsch - via ArticleComments extension&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;Comments on [[Homosexuality - What is its Cause?]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The word sodomy was not translated here properly:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beau Man said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. &lt;br /&gt;
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...&lt;br /&gt;
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don&#039;t join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k&lt;br /&gt;
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--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier&#039;s work, this saddens me.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hi AS.&lt;br /&gt;
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:&lt;br /&gt;
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:&lt;br /&gt;
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as &amp;quot;the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex).&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-rough translation&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s why &amp;quot;Homo-Sexualität&amp;quot; is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is &amp;quot;gender-intercourse&amp;quot;. It&#039;s basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope this makes sense. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks Sanjin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that&#039;s what would be unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless I&#039;m interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn&#039;t think of a better way of wording it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality &amp;quot;emerges&amp;quot; for the spirit within each individual.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;feelings&amp;quot; between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one&#039;s spirit because they are connected?&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.&lt;br /&gt;
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div class=&#039;commentBlock&#039;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it&#039;s natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to  sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?&lt;br /&gt;
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&lt;br /&gt;
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one&#039;s own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:&lt;br /&gt;
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No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and &amp;quot;Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form&amp;quot;, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called &amp;quot;men&amp;quot;, who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. &lt;br /&gt;
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.	Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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3.	This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: &amp;quot;it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:&amp;quot; So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only &amp;quot;natürliche Unnatürlichkeit&amp;quot; that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.&lt;br /&gt;
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don&#039;t know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know &amp;quot;what sex&amp;quot; it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......&lt;br /&gt;
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.&lt;br /&gt;
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.&lt;br /&gt;
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. &lt;br /&gt;
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a good female friend who&#039;s sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian.  They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us.  This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.&lt;br /&gt;
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?&lt;br /&gt;
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and  Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.&lt;br /&gt;
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!&lt;br /&gt;
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. &lt;br /&gt;
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner.  Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
2.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)   &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:39, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Don’t take my comments out of context to “suit” your agenda assuming I have some “belief” in this subject of homosexuality or other matters as well. Belief is a term I try in earnest to avoid and replace it either with “assume” or aware. As a matter of fact, I did post recently my views on the subject of belief or believing which is a stagnation of creational endeavor. For your as well as other’s reference, I’ll post it again at the end of this post.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, regarding your comments, which is posted here; “Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder.” YOUR QUOTE&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically analyze why there are differences between a male XY and female XX genetic attributes along with its prospective psyche that generates a difference of electrical charge, since humans are electrical/magnetic in nature. Males having a slightly more positive characteristic, while females more robust negative charge. It is NOT to suggest females are negative in any sense, but as in electronics the flow of electrons goes from the negative to positive, BUT the flow of current goes from positive to negative.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution. &lt;br /&gt;
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Now, lets look at the # 2, MINE “2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (Except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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YOURS: “But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that I know not about? :)  &lt;br /&gt;
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Why are you looking for something &amp;quot;out there&amp;quot; when the answers are all within ourselves? Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments. &lt;br /&gt;
However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiin, do you understand that all of creation is choice, and that there is no wrong and right choices? Do you also understand that whenever you start dictating what is and what is not, you are already creating your own limitations and thus limit yourself in your very expression and experiences, and to some point make your experience more difficult for you (which on the same note, is still your choice to make it difficult for you)? &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And because he said those things, does it mean you (and others) have to believe him? I read what he said about male dancing, and i must say, that made me laugh.....cause it was just non sense. You know, a man can have great powers and abilities and yet be full of it, or just plainly ignorant when it comes to other matters. &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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So, are you saying that there is something wrong with the way creation, or consciousness is?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, i’m a bit puzzled here cause i personally believe that creation is continually evolving and without limitations. Is this what you are also saying here?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would it stagnate its evolution? A thing can be perfect and yet continue to expand (or evolve) beyond what it already is. Yet because it continues to expand does not mean it is imperfect, or not perfect.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, and would it matter if it does not perpetuate the human species? There are those who are no homosexuals who can help perpetuate the human species, if that’s an issue, no?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, that is your belief and perception of ‘what needs be’ in order for one to evolve. Others might have different views and opinion on the subject. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yet we’ve all chosen to experience with our beliefs for the very purpose of expanding. Needless to say, we all hold some kind of belief. Even the Pledians hold their own beliefs, as i can tell.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that it can be replaced with a more harmonic method, however not all beliefs are bad, dangerous or limiting.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It’s a choice. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sheila said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Another thing you may want to think about is how overpopulation is making spirit forms come back too early.  So they may not have gone through the process of changing from female to male or male to female, so in these cases, choice may not have anything to do with it?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 04:56, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Your biggest problem is YOURSELF, yet you won&#039;t admit it...blinded by you EGO, just like many before you and many more after you, all stuck on stupid.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sheila, once you understand that you are your own creator, that you are ONE with god (or Creation), that you create every single aspect of your reality, you will then understand that nothing, and absolutely nothing, is left to circumstances. Overpopulation has nothing to do with anything. In fact, overpopulation is nothing but a myth and is becoming a belief among many.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, everyone’s biggest problem, if any, is but themselves. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:12, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sheila, in truth our planet can accommodate more people than we already have. But because we do not manage our resources efficiently, we generate the mass belief that we have overpopulated our planet. It is not necessarily a question of over population. It is more a question of resource management.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:26, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beau Man said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. &lt;br /&gt;
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...&lt;br /&gt;
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don&#039;t join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k&lt;br /&gt;
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--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier&#039;s work, this saddens me.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi AS.&lt;br /&gt;
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:&lt;br /&gt;
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:&lt;br /&gt;
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as &amp;quot;the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex).&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s why &amp;quot;Homo-Sexualität&amp;quot; is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is &amp;quot;gender-intercourse&amp;quot;. It&#039;s basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope this makes sense. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks Sanjin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that&#039;s what would be unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless I&#039;m interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn&#039;t think of a better way of wording it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality &amp;quot;emerges&amp;quot; for the spirit within each individual.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;feelings&amp;quot; between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one&#039;s spirit because they are connected?&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.&lt;br /&gt;
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it&#039;s natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to  sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?&lt;br /&gt;
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&lt;br /&gt;
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one&#039;s own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships&lt;br /&gt;
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and &amp;quot;Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form&amp;quot;, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called &amp;quot;men&amp;quot;, who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.	Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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3.	This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neckel said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Salome all,&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: &amp;quot;it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:&amp;quot; So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only &amp;quot;natürliche Unnatürlichkeit&amp;quot; that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&amp;amp;feature=related&lt;br /&gt;
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&amp;amp;NR=1&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neckel said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Hawaiian,&lt;br /&gt;
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don&#039;t know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know &amp;quot;what sex&amp;quot; it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......&lt;br /&gt;
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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Salome&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Moonwalker said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.&lt;br /&gt;
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.&lt;br /&gt;
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Janet&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Moonwalker said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. &lt;br /&gt;
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Janet &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 08:23, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ufofacts said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a good female friend who&#039;s sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian.  They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us.  This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just my thoughts, views&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User &amp;amp;quot;Ufofacts&amp;amp;quot;)]] 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?&lt;br /&gt;
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and  Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.&lt;br /&gt;
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!&lt;br /&gt;
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. &lt;br /&gt;
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner.  Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.&lt;br /&gt;
The following citation has some reference to problematic adolescent male elephants and human males that also need to have some hammer hung over their heads to keep them in line and out of trouble. It is relevant to Earthly human males especially the one responsible for much evil and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://miltonconservative.blogspot.com/2011/01/tale-of-adolescent-elephant-rampage.html&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:52, 15 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:11, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
2.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)   &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:37, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:39, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Don’t take my comments out of context to “suit” your agenda assuming I have some “belief” in this subject of homosexuality or other matters as well. Belief is a term I try in earnest to avoid and replace it either with “assume” or aware. As a matter of fact, I did post recently my views on the subject of belief or believing which is a stagnation of creational endeavor. For your as well as other’s reference, I’ll post it again at the end of this post.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, regarding your comments, which is posted here; “Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder.” YOUR QUOTE&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically analyze why there are differences between a male XY and female XX genetic attributes along with its prospective psyche that generates a difference of electrical charge, since humans are electrical/magnetic in nature. Males having a slightly more positive characteristic, while females more robust negative charge. It is NOT to suggest females are negative in any sense, but as in electronics the flow of electrons goes from the negative to positive, BUT the flow of current goes from positive to negative.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution. &lt;br /&gt;
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Now, lets look at the # 2, MINE “2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (Except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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YOURS: “But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that I know not about? :)  &lt;br /&gt;
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Why are you looking for something &amp;quot;out there&amp;quot; when the answers are all within ourselves? Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.&lt;br /&gt;
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BELIEF or BELIEVING&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:45, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments. &lt;br /&gt;
However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiin, do you understand that all of creation is choice, and that there is no wrong and right choices? Do you also understand that whenever you start dictating what is and what is not, you are already creating your own limitations and thus limit yourself in your very expression and experiences, and to some point make your experience more difficult for you (which on the same note, is still your choice to make it difficult for you)? &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And because he said those things, does it mean you (and others) have to believe him? I read what he said about male dancing, and i must say, that made me laugh.....cause it was just non sense. You know, a man can have great powers and abilities and yet be full of it, or just plainly ignorant when it comes to other matters. &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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So, are you saying that there is something wrong with the way creation, or consciousness is?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, i’m a bit puzzled here cause i personally believe that creation is continually evolving and without limitations. Is this what you are also saying here?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would it stagnate its evolution? A thing can be perfect and yet continue to expand (or evolve) beyond what it already is. Yet because it continues to expand does not mean it is imperfect, or not perfect.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, and would it matter if it does not perpetuate the human species? There are those who are no homosexuals who can help perpetuate the human species, if that’s an issue, no?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, that is your belief and perception of ‘what needs be’ in order for one to evolve. Others might have different views and opinion on the subject. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yet we’ve all chosen to experience with our beliefs for the very purpose of expanding. Needless to say, we all hold some kind of belief. Even the Pledians hold their own beliefs, as i can tell.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that it can be replaced with a more harmonic method, however not all beliefs are bad, dangerous or limiting.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It’s a choice. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sheila said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Another thing you may want to think about is how overpopulation is making spirit forms come back too early.  So they may not have gone through the process of changing from female to male or male to female, so in these cases, choice may not have anything to do with it?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 04:56, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Your biggest problem is YOURSELF, yet you won&#039;t admit it...blinded by you EGO, just like many before you and many more after you, all stuck on stupid.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sheila, once you understand that you are your own creator, that you are ONE with god (or Creation), that you create every single aspect of your reality, you will then understand that nothing, and absolutely nothing, is left to circumstances. Overpopulation has nothing to do with anything. In fact, overpopulation is nothing but a myth and is becoming a belief among many.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, everyone’s biggest problem, if any, is but themselves. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:12, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beau Man said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. &lt;br /&gt;
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...&lt;br /&gt;
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don&#039;t join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier&#039;s work, this saddens me.&lt;br /&gt;
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:&lt;br /&gt;
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:&lt;br /&gt;
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as &amp;quot;the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex).&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s why &amp;quot;Homo-Sexualität&amp;quot; is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is &amp;quot;gender-intercourse&amp;quot;. It&#039;s basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope this makes sense. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks Sanjin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that&#039;s what would be unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless I&#039;m interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn&#039;t think of a better way of wording it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality &amp;quot;emerges&amp;quot; for the spirit within each individual.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;feelings&amp;quot; between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one&#039;s spirit because they are connected?&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.&lt;br /&gt;
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it&#039;s natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to  sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?&lt;br /&gt;
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&lt;br /&gt;
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one&#039;s own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships&lt;br /&gt;
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and &amp;quot;Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form&amp;quot;, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called &amp;quot;men&amp;quot;, who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.	Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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3.	This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Salome all,&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: &amp;quot;it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:&amp;quot; So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only &amp;quot;natürliche Unnatürlichkeit&amp;quot; that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.&lt;br /&gt;
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&amp;amp;feature=related&lt;br /&gt;
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&amp;amp;NR=1&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don&#039;t know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know &amp;quot;what sex&amp;quot; it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......&lt;br /&gt;
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.&lt;br /&gt;
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.&lt;br /&gt;
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. &lt;br /&gt;
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a good female friend who&#039;s sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian.  They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us.  This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User &amp;amp;quot;Ufofacts&amp;amp;quot;)]] 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?&lt;br /&gt;
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and  Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.&lt;br /&gt;
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!&lt;br /&gt;
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. &lt;br /&gt;
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner.  Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.&lt;br /&gt;
The following citation has some reference to problematic adolescent male elephants and human males that also need to have some hammer hung over their heads to keep them in line and out of trouble. It is relevant to Earthly human males especially the one responsible for much evil and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
2.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)   &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:39, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Don’t take my comments out of context to “suit” your agenda assuming I have some “belief” in this subject of homosexuality or other matters as well. Belief is a term I try in earnest to avoid and replace it either with “assume” or aware. As a matter of fact, I did post recently my views on the subject of belief or believing which is a stagnation of creational endeavor. For your as well as other’s reference, I’ll post it again at the end of this post.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, regarding your comments, which is posted here; “Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder.” YOUR QUOTE&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically analyze why there are differences between a male XY and female XX genetic attributes along with its prospective psyche that generates a difference of electrical charge, since humans are electrical/magnetic in nature. Males having a slightly more positive characteristic, while females more robust negative charge. It is NOT to suggest females are negative in any sense, but as in electronics the flow of electrons goes from the negative to positive, BUT the flow of current goes from positive to negative.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution. &lt;br /&gt;
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Now, lets look at the # 2, MINE “2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (Except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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YOURS: “But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that I know not about? :)  &lt;br /&gt;
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Why are you looking for something &amp;quot;out there&amp;quot; when the answers are all within ourselves? Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.&lt;br /&gt;
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BELIEF or BELIEVING&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:45, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments. &lt;br /&gt;
However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiin, do you understand that all of creation is choice, and that there is no wrong and right choices? Do you also understand that whenever you start dictating what is and what is not, you are already creating your own limitations and thus limit yourself in your very expression and experiences, and to some point make your experience more difficult for you (which on the same note, is still your choice to make it difficult for you)? &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And because he said those things, does it mean you (and others) have to believe him? I read what he said about male dancing, and i must say, that made me laugh.....cause it was just non sense. You know, a man can have great powers and abilities and yet be full of it, or just plainly ignorant when it comes to other matters. &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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So, are you saying that there is something wrong with the way creation, or consciousness is?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, i’m a bit puzzled here cause i personally believe that creation is continually evolving and without limitations. Is this what you are also saying here?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would it stagnate its evolution? A thing can be perfect and yet continue to expand (or evolve) beyond what it already is. Yet because it continues to expand does not mean it is imperfect, or not perfect.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, and would it matter if it does not perpetuate the human species? There are those who are no homosexuals who can help perpetuate the human species, if that’s an issue, no?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, that is your belief and perception of ‘what needs be’ in order for one to evolve. Others might have different views and opinion on the subject. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yet we’ve all chosen to experience with our beliefs for the very purpose of expanding. Needless to say, we all hold some kind of belief. Even the Pledians hold their own beliefs, as i can tell.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that it can be replaced with a more harmonic method, however not all beliefs are bad, dangerous or limiting.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It’s a choice. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sheila said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Another thing you may want to think about is how overpopulation is making spirit forms come back too early.  So they may not have gone through the process of changing from female to male or male to female, so in these cases, choice may not have anything to do with it?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 04:56, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Your biggest problem is YOURSELF, yet you won&#039;t admit it...blinded by you EGO, just like many before you and many more after you, all stuck on stupid.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sheila, once you understand that you are your own creator, that you are ONE with god (or Creation), that you create every single aspect of your reality, you will then understand that nothing, and absolutely nothing, is left to circumstances. Overpopulation has nothing to do with anything. In fact, overpopulation is nothing but a myth and is becoming a belief among many.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Life And Death Are Inherent To Each Other</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Life in this material world is an opportunity for the living person to gather the much needed experiences, feelings, compassion and knowledge for his/her spirit to evolve/develop, along with the &amp;quot;interconnections&amp;quot; being establish by such attributes amongst the Conscious and Sub-conscious via the 6th and very seldom 7th senses....which in turn also &amp;quot;interconnects&#039; with all the previous personalities of pass re-incarnations of that particular person.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, as a living individual, each stands on a &amp;quot;podium&amp;quot; of sorts, the interface between the non-material and material realms of Creational energy, a balance between the positive and negative forces that shape how his/her world for the better or worst accordingly to Creational Laws...that also applies to those in other realms that have &amp;quot;interconnectivity&amp;quot; to these beings.&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefore one should take the opportunity to fully enhance their life with attributes that promote Creational harmony/balance....then fear of Death is no longer an issue...for the it is then a much needed rest....to continue.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)“With Death all knowledge and all assets/abilities as well as all &#039;&#039;&#039;potentials&#039;&#039;&#039; - which were accumulated by the personality through thoughts and feelings as well as by actions and emotions and so on - are thus stored and definitively deposited in the memory banks/storage banks,”&lt;br /&gt;
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There appears to be a translation change from the (Sep 21 2009) in which “possibilities” was changed to “potentials”. That being the case will have huge ramifications to consider regarding the Plejaren’s mission towards Earth humans and correcting the Uncreational interferences responsible for such degenerations and stagnation of numerous spiritual forms being “short circuited” from their true “potentials”. &lt;br /&gt;
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By combining this concept (or in this case, “inter-connections” to the below statement, hopefully one will logically determine what the term “equational potentials” are about. I’ve tried to explain this on several occasions, but have only recently connected the “missing” parts until now.&lt;br /&gt;
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“Even if the human commits suicide, she/he does not possess any power over it, for by the self killing (suicide) she/he avoids only the real time, which is fixed by Death.”&lt;br /&gt;
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Suicide, as described by BEAM means to “short circuit” the time frame in which Death was scheduled. Thus one can conclude that the manipulation of the ageing gene also constitutes “suicide” by the Creator Overlords. A deliberate Uncreational violation to deny the ancestors of Earth humans to this day the necessary life cycle of 350-450 years. Earth humans and their spirit forms are denied “exponentially 3-4 life times” of the necessary evolutionary experience and knowledge to evolve.&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefore, their “equational potentials” have been short circuited and condemned as “suicidal” humans. However, there here lies a dilemma for those higher evolved beings, they can either assist through logical reasoning, or be faced with the risk one day soon that someone may find the “key” to their “equational potentials” and wreak havoc in both the material and non-material realms of existence.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to consider the various re-incarnations of each individual and also the various hybrid races as each are interconnected via the memory banks and 6th/7th senses. A very potent force indeed&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Therefore committing suicide becomes a fact of destruction and of cowardly escape from life and from the perception of the responsibility, facing life and vis-à-vis to/facing death.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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How about self-euthanasia done by a heavily wounded man who knows he will be dead in an hour? He commits suicide to stop the tormenting pain. Does not it show his responsibility of taking care of himself?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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These are just my opinions: &lt;br /&gt;
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- Alive and dead are the states of one&#039;s body, not one&#039;s spirit, since his spirit is always on.&lt;br /&gt;
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- After the death of the body the spirit will hybernate, and after the reincarnation the spirit will be active again. &lt;br /&gt;
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- The spirit is always on and always consumes Creation&#039;s energy, whether in hybernation time or in active time.&lt;br /&gt;
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- I do not know what Creation&#039;s energy is and I want go to bed now.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Life and death are the organic components of evolution. Ego perfects himself through many lives, through his experiences as various personalities with alternating thoughts and feelings, alternating pros and cons, alternating friends and foes, alternating loyalties and treacheries. Transition from one life to the next life can only happen if his spirit hybernates for awhile (several seconds, several days, several millenia, what have you). The transition can only happen through a death. In death time (hybernation time) his spirit refreshes itself and prepares itself to return to material realm, so the Ego could continue his effort to perfect himself. Ego needs many deaths as much as he needs many lives. It is no wonder that he cherishes his deaths as bright as he cherishes his lives.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It just accrossed my mind some minutes ago. If in this year (2011) Gilgamesh would be dead on this planet at the age of 50,000, his spirit would be in hybernation state for about 75,000 years. His new personality would be born in the year 77,011 when many things have been better on Earth. If his new personality could access his personal storage, which contains fantastic informations from his previous life, he could become a king again while he is still a teenager. He is a lucky monster.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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My second thought. Gilgamesh&#039;s new personality, who will be a non-shapeshifter Earth human, would find it very difficult to understand the informations he gets from his storage because the informations were stored while he was living as an extraterrestrial shapeshifter. He could get some mental images of his kingship in the past life but could not understand them well and use them for his advantages. His chance to become a king again is not big.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Therefore death should never be pushed aside, but should rather be recognized/understood as a friend/comrade for a onwards-life in the hereafter/the great beyond.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Only the death could give the Ego an opportunity to return and perfect himself in the next life. From his present life&#039;s point of view the death is the end, but from his future life&#039;s point of view the death is the start. Recognizing the importance of death and pondering about it over and over would give the Ego some insights to prepare his future deaths and also his future lives.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;If the human thinks about death, then in a certain way an uneasiness strikes him at first, from which he becomes restless, because she/he believes to recognize and to perceive something threatening at the beginning of her/his thoughts and feelings about death.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Human&#039;s anxiety of death is a social product (social construct). Human thinks that death is something threatening because he was taught (by his parents, teachers, preachers) that he will be judged (by God or Devil or Spiderman) in the afterlife and will get punishments for the sins he commited in his life, such as stealing, lying, killing, making fun of sacred texts, denying the holiness of the preachers, refusing to pray, and so on (it is not clear whether masturbating should be categorized as a sin or not). Fear of death is something natural, but anxiety of it is something social.&lt;br /&gt;
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The anxiety of death have been taught to the Earth children generation after generation by religious organizations using schools and families, with or without state&#039;s support. Studies on death have been suppressed or banned because religious organizations have concluded that the death is God&#039;s mystery which human should not ponder about because it could make human think that there is no God.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hmm, some of us can know for sure when we will die. Well, i am myself intuitive and i have on accoasions felt/sensed what was to happen to me the next hours, days and even next year. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 01:50, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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 I agree with most everything you say, Alive. However, i’ll say this: stored information is accessible to all and everyone regardless of whether you have experienced the knowledge or information you need or are seeking. The thing to remember is that we are all ONE with Consciousness. Everyone’s personal experiences are contributing to the whole of Consciousness (consciousness being the action of Creation itself). Thus not only you can access your information, but all of us are naturally and continually accessing everyone else’s stored information as a contribution to the whole and to the expansion of Consciousness. &lt;br /&gt;
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On another note, if choosing to consciously connect  with any of the information existing within Consciousness (astral travel,  hypnoses, or some other means), to some of us, it becomes a matter of how you translate this information which makes any difference. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 02:27, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Life And Death Are Inherent To Each Other</title>
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		<updated>2011-07-10T00:50:40Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Carsch: Comment provided by Carsch - via ArticleComments extension&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Life in this material world is an opportunity for the living person to gather the much needed experiences, feelings, compassion and knowledge for his/her spirit to evolve/develop, along with the &amp;quot;interconnections&amp;quot; being establish by such attributes amongst the Conscious and Sub-conscious via the 6th and very seldom 7th senses....which in turn also &amp;quot;interconnects&#039; with all the previous personalities of pass re-incarnations of that particular person.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, as a living individual, each stands on a &amp;quot;podium&amp;quot; of sorts, the interface between the non-material and material realms of Creational energy, a balance between the positive and negative forces that shape how his/her world for the better or worst accordingly to Creational Laws...that also applies to those in other realms that have &amp;quot;interconnectivity&amp;quot; to these beings.&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefore one should take the opportunity to fully enhance their life with attributes that promote Creational harmony/balance....then fear of Death is no longer an issue...for the it is then a much needed rest....to continue.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)“With Death all knowledge and all assets/abilities as well as all &#039;&#039;&#039;potentials&#039;&#039;&#039; - which were accumulated by the personality through thoughts and feelings as well as by actions and emotions and so on - are thus stored and definitively deposited in the memory banks/storage banks,”&lt;br /&gt;
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There appears to be a translation change from the (Sep 21 2009) in which “possibilities” was changed to “potentials”. That being the case will have huge ramifications to consider regarding the Plejaren’s mission towards Earth humans and correcting the Uncreational interferences responsible for such degenerations and stagnation of numerous spiritual forms being “short circuited” from their true “potentials”. &lt;br /&gt;
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By combining this concept (or in this case, “inter-connections” to the below statement, hopefully one will logically determine what the term “equational potentials” are about. I’ve tried to explain this on several occasions, but have only recently connected the “missing” parts until now.&lt;br /&gt;
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“Even if the human commits suicide, she/he does not possess any power over it, for by the self killing (suicide) she/he avoids only the real time, which is fixed by Death.”&lt;br /&gt;
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Suicide, as described by BEAM means to “short circuit” the time frame in which Death was scheduled. Thus one can conclude that the manipulation of the ageing gene also constitutes “suicide” by the Creator Overlords. A deliberate Uncreational violation to deny the ancestors of Earth humans to this day the necessary life cycle of 350-450 years. Earth humans and their spirit forms are denied “exponentially 3-4 life times” of the necessary evolutionary experience and knowledge to evolve.&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefore, their “equational potentials” have been short circuited and condemned as “suicidal” humans. However, there here lies a dilemma for those higher evolved beings, they can either assist through logical reasoning, or be faced with the risk one day soon that someone may find the “key” to their “equational potentials” and wreak havoc in both the material and non-material realms of existence.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to consider the various re-incarnations of each individual and also the various hybrid races as each are interconnected via the memory banks and 6th/7th senses. A very potent force indeed&lt;br /&gt;
== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Therefore committing suicide becomes a fact of destruction and of cowardly escape from life and from the perception of the responsibility, facing life and vis-à-vis to/facing death.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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How about self-euthanasia done by a heavily wounded man who knows he will be dead in an hour? He commits suicide to stop the tormenting pain. Does not it show his responsibility of taking care of himself?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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These are just my opinions: &lt;br /&gt;
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- Alive and dead are the states of one&#039;s body, not one&#039;s spirit, since his spirit is always on.&lt;br /&gt;
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- After the death of the body the spirit will hybernate, and after the reincarnation the spirit will be active again. &lt;br /&gt;
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- The spirit is always on and always consumes Creation&#039;s energy, whether in hybernation time or in active time.&lt;br /&gt;
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- I do not know what Creation&#039;s energy is and I want go to bed now.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Life and death are the organic components of evolution. Ego perfects himself through many lives, through his experiences as various personalities with alternating thoughts and feelings, alternating pros and cons, alternating friends and foes, alternating loyalties and treacheries. Transition from one life to the next life can only happen if his spirit hybernates for awhile (several seconds, several days, several millenia, what have you). The transition can only happen through a death. In death time (hybernation time) his spirit refreshes itself and prepares itself to return to material realm, so the Ego could continue his effort to perfect himself. Ego needs many deaths as much as he needs many lives. It is no wonder that he cherishes his deaths as bright as he cherishes his lives.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It just accrossed my mind some minutes ago. If in this year (2011) Gilgamesh would be dead on this planet at the age of 50,000, his spirit would be in hybernation state for about 75,000 years. His new personality would be born in the year 77,011 when many things have been better on Earth. If his new personality could access his personal storage, which contains fantastic informations from his previous life, he could become a king again while he is still a teenager. He is a lucky monster.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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My second thought. Gilgamesh&#039;s new personality, who will be a non-shapeshifter Earth human, would find it very difficult to understand the informations he gets from his storage because the informations were stored while he was living as an extraterrestrial shapeshifter. He could get some mental images of his kingship in the past life but could not understand them well and use them for his advantages. His chance to become a king again is not big.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Therefore death should never be pushed aside, but should rather be recognized/understood as a friend/comrade for a onwards-life in the hereafter/the great beyond.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Only the death could give the Ego an opportunity to return and perfect himself in the next life. From his present life&#039;s point of view the death is the end, but from his future life&#039;s point of view the death is the start. Recognizing the importance of death and pondering about it over and over would give the Ego some insights to prepare his future deaths and also his future lives.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alive said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;If the human thinks about death, then in a certain way an uneasiness strikes him at first, from which he becomes restless, because she/he believes to recognize and to perceive something threatening at the beginning of her/his thoughts and feelings about death.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Human&#039;s anxiety of death is a social product (social construct). Human thinks that death is something threatening because he was taught (by his parents, teachers, preachers) that he will be judged (by God or Devil or Spiderman) in the afterlife and will get punishments for the sins he commited in his life, such as stealing, lying, killing, making fun of sacred texts, denying the holiness of the preachers, refusing to pray, and so on (it is not clear whether masturbating should be categorized as a sin or not). Fear of death is something natural, but anxiety of it is something social.&lt;br /&gt;
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The anxiety of death have been taught to the Earth children generation after generation by religious organizations using schools and families, with or without state&#039;s support. Studies on death have been suppressed or banned because religious organizations have concluded that the death is God&#039;s mystery which human should not ponder about because it could make human think that there is no God.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hmm, some of us can know for sure when we will die. Well, i am myself intuitive and i have on accoasions felt/sensed what was to happen to me the next hours, days and even next year. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 01:50, 10 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&amp;diff=16765</id>
		<title>Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?</title>
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		<updated>2011-07-09T22:59:45Z</updated>

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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beau Man said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. &lt;br /&gt;
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...&lt;br /&gt;
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don&#039;t join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k&lt;br /&gt;
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--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier&#039;s work, this saddens me.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi AS.&lt;br /&gt;
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:&lt;br /&gt;
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:&lt;br /&gt;
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as &amp;quot;the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex).&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s why &amp;quot;Homo-Sexualität&amp;quot; is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is &amp;quot;gender-intercourse&amp;quot;. It&#039;s basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope this makes sense. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks Sanjin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that&#039;s what would be unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless I&#039;m interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn&#039;t think of a better way of wording it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality &amp;quot;emerges&amp;quot; for the spirit within each individual.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;feelings&amp;quot; between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one&#039;s spirit because they are connected?&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.&lt;br /&gt;
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it&#039;s natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to  sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?&lt;br /&gt;
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&lt;br /&gt;
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one&#039;s own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships&lt;br /&gt;
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and &amp;quot;Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form&amp;quot;, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called &amp;quot;men&amp;quot;, who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.	Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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3.	This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neckel said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Salome all,&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: &amp;quot;it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:&amp;quot; So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only &amp;quot;natürliche Unnatürlichkeit&amp;quot; that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.&lt;br /&gt;
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May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&amp;amp;feature=related&lt;br /&gt;
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neckel said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Hawaiian,&lt;br /&gt;
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don&#039;t know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know &amp;quot;what sex&amp;quot; it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......&lt;br /&gt;
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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Salome&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Moonwalker said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.&lt;br /&gt;
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.&lt;br /&gt;
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Janet&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Moonwalker said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. &lt;br /&gt;
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Janet &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 08:23, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ufofacts said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a good female friend who&#039;s sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian.  They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us.  This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just my thoughts, views&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User &amp;amp;quot;Ufofacts&amp;amp;quot;)]] 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?&lt;br /&gt;
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and  Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.&lt;br /&gt;
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!&lt;br /&gt;
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. &lt;br /&gt;
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner.  Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.&lt;br /&gt;
The following citation has some reference to problematic adolescent male elephants and human males that also need to have some hammer hung over their heads to keep them in line and out of trouble. It is relevant to Earthly human males especially the one responsible for much evil and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://miltonconservative.blogspot.com/2011/01/tale-of-adolescent-elephant-rampage.html&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:52, 15 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:11, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
2.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)   &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:37, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:39, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Carsch,&lt;br /&gt;
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Don’t take my comments out of context to “suit” your agenda assuming I have some “belief” in this subject of homosexuality or other matters as well. Belief is a term I try in earnest to avoid and replace it either with “assume” or aware. As a matter of fact, I did post recently my views on the subject of belief or believing which is a stagnation of creational endeavor. For your as well as other’s reference, I’ll post it again at the end of this post.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, regarding your comments, which is posted here; “Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder.” YOUR QUOTE&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically analyze why there are differences between a male XY and female XX genetic attributes along with its prospective psyche that generates a difference of electrical charge, since humans are electrical/magnetic in nature. Males having a slightly more positive characteristic, while females more robust negative charge. It is NOT to suggest females are negative in any sense, but as in electronics the flow of electrons goes from the negative to positive, BUT the flow of current goes from positive to negative.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution. &lt;br /&gt;
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Now, lets look at the # 2, MINE “2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (Except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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YOURS: “But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that I know not about? :)  &lt;br /&gt;
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Why are you looking for something &amp;quot;out there&amp;quot; when the answers are all within ourselves? Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.&lt;br /&gt;
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BELIEF or BELIEVING&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:45, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments. &lt;br /&gt;
However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiin, do you understand that all of creation is choice, and that there is no wrong and right choices? Do you also understand that whenever you start dictating what is and what is not, you are already creating your own limitations and thus limit yourself in your very expression and experiences, and to some point make your experience more difficult for you (which on the same note, is still your choice to make it difficult for you)? &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And because he said those things, does it mean you (and others) have to believe him? I read what he said about male dancing, and i must say, that made me laugh.....cause it was just non sense. You know, a man can have great powers and abilities and yet be full of it, or just plainly ignorant when it comes to other matters. &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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So, are you saying that there is something wrong with the way creation, or consciousness is?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, i’m a bit puzzled here cause i personally believe that creation is continually evolving and without limitations. Is this what you are also saying here?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would it stagnate its evolution? A thing can be perfect and yet continue to expand (or evolve) beyond what it already is. Yet because it continues to expand does not mean it is imperfect, or not perfect.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, and would it matter if it does not perpetuate the human species? There are those who are no homosexuals who can help perpetuate the human species, if that’s an issue, no?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, that is your belief and perception of ‘what needs be’ in order for one to evolve. Others might have different views and opinion on the subject. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yet we’ve all chosen to experience with our beliefs for the very purpose of expanding. Needless to say, we all hold some kind of belief. Even the Pledians hold their own beliefs, as i can tell.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that it can be replaced with a more harmonic method, however not all beliefs are bad, dangerous or limiting.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption. &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It’s a choice. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beau Man said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. &lt;br /&gt;
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...&lt;br /&gt;
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don&#039;t join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier&#039;s work, this saddens me.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi AS.&lt;br /&gt;
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:&lt;br /&gt;
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:&lt;br /&gt;
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as &amp;quot;the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex).&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s why &amp;quot;Homo-Sexualität&amp;quot; is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is &amp;quot;gender-intercourse&amp;quot;. It&#039;s basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope this makes sense. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks Sanjin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that&#039;s what would be unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless I&#039;m interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn&#039;t think of a better way of wording it.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality &amp;quot;emerges&amp;quot; for the spirit within each individual.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;feelings&amp;quot; between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one&#039;s spirit because they are connected?&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.&lt;br /&gt;
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it&#039;s natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to  sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?&lt;br /&gt;
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?&lt;br /&gt;
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Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one&#039;s own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:&lt;br /&gt;
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No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and &amp;quot;Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form&amp;quot;, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called &amp;quot;men&amp;quot;, who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.	Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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3.	This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Salome all,&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: &amp;quot;it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:&amp;quot; So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only &amp;quot;natürliche Unnatürlichkeit&amp;quot; that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don&#039;t know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know &amp;quot;what sex&amp;quot; it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......&lt;br /&gt;
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.&lt;br /&gt;
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.&lt;br /&gt;
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. &lt;br /&gt;
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a good female friend who&#039;s sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian.  They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us.  This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.&lt;br /&gt;
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?&lt;br /&gt;
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and  Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.&lt;br /&gt;
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!&lt;br /&gt;
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. &lt;br /&gt;
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner.  Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
2.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)   &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:37, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:39, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beau Man said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. &lt;br /&gt;
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...&lt;br /&gt;
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don&#039;t join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k&lt;br /&gt;
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--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier&#039;s work, this saddens me.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi AS.&lt;br /&gt;
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:&lt;br /&gt;
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:&lt;br /&gt;
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as &amp;quot;the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex).&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s why &amp;quot;Homo-Sexualität&amp;quot; is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is &amp;quot;gender-intercourse&amp;quot;. It&#039;s basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope this makes sense. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks Sanjin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that&#039;s what would be unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless I&#039;m interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn&#039;t think of a better way of wording it.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality &amp;quot;emerges&amp;quot; for the spirit within each individual.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;feelings&amp;quot; between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one&#039;s spirit because they are connected?&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.&lt;br /&gt;
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it&#039;s natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to  sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?&lt;br /&gt;
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&lt;br /&gt;
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one&#039;s own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships&lt;br /&gt;
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and &amp;quot;Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form&amp;quot;, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called &amp;quot;men&amp;quot;, who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.	Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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3.	This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neckel said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Salome all,&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: &amp;quot;it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:&amp;quot; So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only &amp;quot;natürliche Unnatürlichkeit&amp;quot; that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&amp;amp;feature=related&lt;br /&gt;
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&amp;amp;NR=1&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neckel said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Hawaiian,&lt;br /&gt;
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don&#039;t know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know &amp;quot;what sex&amp;quot; it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......&lt;br /&gt;
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.&lt;br /&gt;
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Moonwalker said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. &lt;br /&gt;
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== Ufofacts said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a good female friend who&#039;s sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian.  They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us.  This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User &amp;amp;quot;Ufofacts&amp;amp;quot;)]] 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?&lt;br /&gt;
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and  Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.&lt;br /&gt;
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!&lt;br /&gt;
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. &lt;br /&gt;
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner.  Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.&lt;br /&gt;
The following citation has some reference to problematic adolescent male elephants and human males that also need to have some hammer hung over their heads to keep them in line and out of trouble. It is relevant to Earthly human males especially the one responsible for much evil and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://miltonconservative.blogspot.com/2011/01/tale-of-adolescent-elephant-rampage.html&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:52, 15 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:11, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt; 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.&lt;br /&gt;
2.	&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) &amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)   &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:37, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy&lt;br /&gt;
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beau Man said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. &lt;br /&gt;
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...&lt;br /&gt;
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don&#039;t join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier&#039;s work, this saddens me.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi AS.&lt;br /&gt;
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:&lt;br /&gt;
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:&lt;br /&gt;
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as &amp;quot;the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex).&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s why &amp;quot;Homo-Sexualität&amp;quot; is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is &amp;quot;gender-intercourse&amp;quot;. It&#039;s basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope this makes sense. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AS said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks Sanjin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that&#039;s what would be unnatural?&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless I&#039;m interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn&#039;t think of a better way of wording it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
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--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality &amp;quot;emerges&amp;quot; for the spirit within each individual.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;feelings&amp;quot; between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one&#039;s spirit because they are connected?&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.&lt;br /&gt;
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it&#039;s natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to  sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?&lt;br /&gt;
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.&lt;br /&gt;
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&lt;br /&gt;
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one&#039;s own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:&lt;br /&gt;
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships&lt;br /&gt;
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
== Sanjin said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and &amp;quot;Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form&amp;quot;, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called &amp;quot;men&amp;quot;, who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.	The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.&lt;br /&gt;
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2.	Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)&lt;br /&gt;
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3.	This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neckel said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Salome all,&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: &amp;quot;it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:&amp;quot; So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only &amp;quot;natürliche Unnatürlichkeit&amp;quot; that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&amp;amp;NR=1&lt;br /&gt;
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neckel said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Hawaiian,&lt;br /&gt;
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don&#039;t know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know &amp;quot;what sex&amp;quot; it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals&lt;br /&gt;
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......&lt;br /&gt;
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.&lt;br /&gt;
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Moonwalker said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. &lt;br /&gt;
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a good female friend who&#039;s sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian.  They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us.  This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just my thoughts, views&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User &amp;amp;quot;Ufofacts&amp;amp;quot;)]] 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?&lt;br /&gt;
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and  Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.&lt;br /&gt;
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!&lt;br /&gt;
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. &lt;br /&gt;
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner.  Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.&lt;br /&gt;
The following citation has some reference to problematic adolescent male elephants and human males that also need to have some hammer hung over their heads to keep them in line and out of trouble. It is relevant to Earthly human males especially the one responsible for much evil and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://miltonconservative.blogspot.com/2011/01/tale-of-adolescent-elephant-rampage.html&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:52, 15 May 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:11, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:Aging&amp;diff=16664</id>
		<title>Talk:Aging</title>
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		<updated>2011-07-09T16:09:01Z</updated>

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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There is no wrong in wanting to look younger and beautiful, however means one chooses to go about it. :) We&#039;re not all perfect, nor is it a matter of being, or becoming perfect. We also learn and grow from our imperfections. :) And, must i say, to want to experience being young and beautiful may be also part of the fulfillment of one&#039;s life&#039;s meaning. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:09, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Wrong_Way&amp;diff=16663</id>
		<title>Talk:The Wrong Way</title>
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		<updated>2011-07-09T15:17:14Z</updated>

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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think everyone is entitled to there own opinion as long as they don&#039;t force people into there realm of thought. You can advise, but you have to be patient because some will take time to digest the information. I know when I first read the Contacts I was laughing at some of the absolute hocus pocus that was going on around our planet Earth. I couldn&#039;t believe some of it at first but once I got a grasp of how he explains and words things, it began to grow within me. &lt;br /&gt;
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--Mark 13:18, 16 June 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hmm, there is to me no wrong way. If we accept that everyone is different and understands things differently, then we&#039;ll understand that no one is at fault, that no one is wrong, that no one way is better than the other – that, in reality, it&#039;s all a matter of choice. We choose what we know and understand is best for us whether we&#039;re right or wrong in our choices. And if another chooses differently, that is their choice, and what is right for them. And that is perfectly fine. If we can accept others for who/what they are, then we’ve learned to accept our own selves.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:18, 6 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Markvd said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In essence as you stated Carsch if they do choose the wrong path and the conceive it as correct they are fine.I wholeheartedly disagree. If you have a foolish leader and all the robots follow then you are screwed. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 01:11, 7 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You are not screwed until you feel and believe you&#039;re screwed. :D&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 05:49, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hawaiian said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.&lt;br /&gt;
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Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.&lt;br /&gt;
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BTW, one is still screwed even if they are not AWARE of it by others taking advantage of their situation for their own benefit, it happens ever day on Earth and has occurring for thousands of years by religious dogmas, yet the masses still believe in god(s) and materials in the bible, Koran and other non-sense&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:35, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, if you&#039;re living in a box and you don&#039;t know that there is &#039;outside of the box&#039;, then living in a box is not an issue to you....until you realize that there is &#039;outside of the box&#039; and you decide to explore &#039;living outside of the box&#039;. Thus, you may be screwed in others&#039; perception of you and your situation. But if in your situation that is not what you perceive, then it is fine.....until you realize your situation yourself. &lt;br /&gt;
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And yes, people take advantage of others every day. But if you don&#039;t know others are taking advantage of you and you have nothing to complain, then you&#039;re fine LOL (but i&#039;m serious)…..till you realize what is taking place. No need to worry about something you don’t know or are not aware of.........until the realization or awareness comes to you.  To some of us, some indigene people may be leading poor, unhealthy, miserable lives.  That may be true for some of us. Yet to these indigenes, their lives may not be what some of us think of them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, I agree that some beliefs can be destructive and limiting as well. However, we must take into consideration that even though this is true, at the same time, there is always choice taking place. We are choosing our experiences – no matter how foolish these may seem to be – with reason and purpose. Progress or evolution is constant. It is working even when we don’t see it working, and in its own pace.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 16:17, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Wrong_Way&amp;diff=16633</id>
		<title>Talk:The Wrong Way</title>
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		<updated>2011-07-09T04:49:04Z</updated>

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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think everyone is entitled to there own opinion as long as they don&#039;t force people into there realm of thought. You can advise, but you have to be patient because some will take time to digest the information. I know when I first read the Contacts I was laughing at some of the absolute hocus pocus that was going on around our planet Earth. I couldn&#039;t believe some of it at first but once I got a grasp of how he explains and words things, it began to grow within me. &lt;br /&gt;
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--Mark 13:18, 16 June 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hmm, there is to me no wrong way. If we accept that everyone is different and understands things differently, then we&#039;ll understand that no one is at fault, that no one is wrong, that no one way is better than the other – that, in reality, it&#039;s all a matter of choice. We choose what we know and understand is best for us whether we&#039;re right or wrong in our choices. And if another chooses differently, that is their choice, and what is right for them. And that is perfectly fine. If we can accept others for who/what they are, then we’ve learned to accept our own selves.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:18, 6 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Markvd said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In essence as you stated Carsch if they do choose the wrong path and the conceive it as correct they are fine.I wholeheartedly disagree. If you have a foolish leader and all the robots follow then you are screwed. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 01:11, 7 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You are not screwed until you feel and believe you&#039;re screwed. :D&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 05:49, 9 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>https://future.figucarolina.org//w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Wrong_Way&amp;diff=16571</id>
		<title>Talk:The Wrong Way</title>
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		<updated>2011-07-06T22:18:35Z</updated>

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== Mark said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think everyone is entitled to there own opinion as long as they don&#039;t force people into there realm of thought. You can advise, but you have to be patient because some will take time to digest the information. I know when I first read the Contacts I was laughing at some of the absolute hocus pocus that was going on around our planet Earth. I couldn&#039;t believe some of it at first but once I got a grasp of how he explains and words things, it began to grow within me. &lt;br /&gt;
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--Mark 13:18, 16 June 2010 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carsch said ... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hmm, there is to me no wrong way. If we accept that everyone is different and understands things differently, then we&#039;ll understand that no one is at fault, that no one is wrong, that no one way is better than the other – that, in reality, it&#039;s all a matter of choice. We choose what we know and understand is best for us whether we&#039;re right or wrong in our choices. And if another chooses differently, that is their choice, and what is right for them. And that is perfectly fine. If we can accept others for who/what they are, then we’ve learned to accept our own selves.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:18, 6 July 2011 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
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