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Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?

2011-05-14T07:23:34Z

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== Sanjin said ... ==

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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:

"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)
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== Beau Man said ... ==

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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations.
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...

--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)
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== Mark said ... ==

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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k

--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)
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== AS said ... ==

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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.

Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?

As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.

--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)
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== Sanjin said ... ==

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Hi AS.

It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:

The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t

Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."
-rough translation

That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.

Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.

For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.

I hope this makes sense. :)

--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)
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== AS said ... ==

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Thanks Sanjin.

The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.

So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?

Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.

Thank you.

--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.

It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.

Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.

The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?

For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.

The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.

--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)
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== Sanjin said ... ==

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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse.

I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.

--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?

It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.

One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.

Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.
== Sanjin said ... ==

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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...

A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL

I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true.

--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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test

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.

1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.

2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)

3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Salome all,

I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.

May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related

Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1

Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Hi Hawaiian,

I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. With your statement, you encourage those who hate the homosexuals....... are you one of them ? The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......

Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t

Salome

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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== Moonwalker said ... ==

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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.
I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.

Janet

--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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== Moonwalker said ... ==

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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth.

Janet

--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 08:23, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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Broken/Special:Badtitle/NS103:Petition For Controlled Birth Stop

2011-05-14T06:57:14Z

Moonwalker: Created page with "Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trou..."

Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth.

Janet

Talk:Contact Report 512

2011-05-14T06:46:00Z

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== Markvd said ... ==

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Good luck evil doers trying to conquer the entire universe. You would need an infinite life span that can remember past foolishness. I can't wait to gather food recipes across the the vastness of space. The food recipe hunter is coming to a planet near you. :) No raw stuff please.

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 14:19, 5 May 2011 (BST)
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== Alive said ... ==

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I think Pleiarens's number of civilizations based on the location of a civilization, not on the race, language, common ancestry, or government. So if several thousand Libyan psychos from Terra make a colony in Mars, Pleiarens would say that there are two civilizations in this Solar system, although those psychos in Mars keep on using Arabic, singing Libyan national anthem, and worshipping Qadafi as their God.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:11, 5 May 2011 (BST)
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== Zameen said ... ==

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Alive that is hardly true and silly. You sir are sill like John Cleese of Monty Python.

--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 22:48, 5 May 2011 (BST)
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== Les Gabriel said ... ==

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What constitutes a High or low civilization, is it technology or spirituality ?

--[[User:Les Gabriel|Les Gabriel]] 23:42, 5 May 2011 (BST)
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== Cat said ... ==

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Is this internet spying ONLY when the computer is in use? If it's turned off but still plugged in or the battery has some life in it, it's able to pick up what's being said in your home? Scary thought. Talk about invasion of privacy. We've discussed this in our family and are going to remove all electronic media from our home for 2 weeks and play board games, do more family stuff and see how much better we feel for it. I'm sure the radiation being emitted is doing us harm as well as all the other nonsense going on with the secret service spies grrrrrr!!!

--[[User:Cat|Cat]] 05:12, 6 May 2011 (BST)
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== Markvd said ... ==

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What is this internet spying you speak of they can barely understand themselves how will they understand anything else. Translate using low IQ for maximum 007 spy capabilities. I doubt they have many valedictorians working for our current security around the world. They usually hire the follow the leader types. :)

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 05:39, 6 May 2011 (BST)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Zameen (may I call you "Lord Zameen"?),

Thank you for your flattery. Your words were not only from correctness, but also from sharpness and accuracy. John Cleese is one of my favorite comedians and for some people he is more famous than Jesus Christ (I do not know why).

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 13:32, 6 May 2011 (BST)
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== Zameen said ... ==

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Alive, please never refer to me as lord. that is icky. Zameen is taken from a creole word that means "my friend" and I will be nothing more or less than yours my friend

--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 23:46, 6 May 2011 (BST)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Zameen,

I just want to know, what is the name of the language which the word "zameen" came from? Thank you for your information, my Lord.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 08:29, 7 May 2011 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11124/1143895-84-0.stm?cmpid=nationworld.xml

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 10:01, 7 May 2011 (BST)
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== Sheila said ... ==

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Thank you James for the proof that this really is happening right now. Nothing like a lawsuit to shine the light.

--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 18:07, 7 May 2011 (BST)
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== Zameen said ... ==

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Alive, it is actually Zami which comes from the Haitian creole language. Saka fet zami?= whats going on my friend? originally I thought it was Zameen. so I just kept it and went with it

--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 19:03, 7 May 2011 (BST)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Okay, my Lord. Di ou mesi.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 20:11, 7 May 2011 (BST)
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== Zameen said ... ==

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Alive- tre bien

--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:52, 7 May 2011 (BST)
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== Sheila said ... ==

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Hi Les Gabriel, I would think that high civilization means high spirituality. Currently our technology which seemed highly evolved to us, but compared to other worlds is lacking in ethical standards and the required spirituality. This is also one reason why the Ps don't want us to leave our planet and wreak havoc in the universe. Our people have so much to learn spiritually before we can be classified as a spacefaring nation.

--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:32, 8 May 2011 (BST)
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== Spartan said ... ==

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I would like to have a talk with those people who work at the religious sectarian organisation. Why do they manipulate people and how?

--[[User:Spartan|Spartan]] 22:47, 10 May 2011 (BST)
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== Sheila said ... ==

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Hi Spartan they lead people astray with everything they say and everything they do because they can. Some people feel powerful knowing they've hookwinked others and laugh about how stupid the minions are. This has been going on for centuries. Question everything you know or think you know.
For example when General Petraeus came out recently stating that UN workers had been killed due to the backlash of Terry Jones' Koran burning. People really fell for that. Why wasn't anyone questioning what the UN workers had done to lose their lives? Instead the media spouted propaganda which came directly from the military. So what sticks out in the western world's minds? That General Petraeus apologized for the Koran burning (by some religious freak, who he had no control over). And the media did not expound the real reason for the uprising which was in retaliation for operations of Western military forces which are blamed for killing and mistreating civilians! The international contractors who are seen by many as enriching themselves and fueling corruption at the expense of ordinary Afghans!
The Koran burning was used as a tool to fuel the religious right and it worked.

--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:50, 11 May 2011 (BST)
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== Cat said ... ==

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We purchased a Vista almost 2 years ago and straight away placed thick black tape over the camera knowing there was the ability in this technology (HD TV's etc) to spy on you. Most people are too dumb to believe it but we've still got our old analog TV also and won't be renewing it. This link just proves what we already knew. And in one of the Contact Notes, Billy is told Vista was created with the help of the NSA (I think) and Windows for the purpose of spying on people. Anything newer, is sure to have even better capabilities. Scary.

--[[User:Cat|Cat]] 09:24, 12 May 2011 (BST)
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== Markvd said ... ==

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Which civilization has the most dominating food court? That is the first place to conquer. :)

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:49, 12 May 2011 (BST)
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== Gheezy said ... ==

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this contact report, especially the 2nd part is true. The more means we have to communicate the more spying can be done. Telephones have always been known to be tapped, the internet has so many venues to conduct spying on ordinary people. As technology progresses, we lose more of our privacy. The new thing to look out for is cloud computing, which would store and allow people to spy on others through networking. HDTV's now can connect to the internet, which in turn could result into spying. Smartphones have tracking devices that are designed for "emergency" tracking, giving off people's locations for those that can see it. The more I read the more valid Meier becomes.

--[[User:Gheezy|Gheezy]] 15:50, 13 May 2011 (BST)
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== Markvd said ... ==

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I understand Gheezy keeping tabs on suspects that type in odd things on the internet but some of these agencies are straight up stalkers of an unnatural kind. :) I can't say all that have these capabilities have hired the best men or women that utilize this for only good purposes.

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:43, 13 May 2011 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Is the Internet our first coarse-matter "Storage Bank"?

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 01:30, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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== Moonwalker said ... ==

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We need to focus on all the good that humans are doing inorder to attract positive vibrations. All your talk ofgloom and doom is greatly over stated and affects people's emotions by brining on guilt and regret which serves no one.
I have yet to hear any positive words from you Billy and Ptaah. Maybe you don't realize your consatant negative words are a formof Gewalt.

Janet

--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:46, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?

2011-05-14T06:00:11Z

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== Sanjin said ... ==

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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:

"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)
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== Beau Man said ... ==

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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations.
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...

--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)
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== Mark said ... ==

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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k

--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)
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== AS said ... ==

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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.

Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?

As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.

--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)
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== Sanjin said ... ==

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Hi AS.

It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:

The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t

Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."
-rough translation

That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.

Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.

For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.

I hope this makes sense. :)

--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)
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== AS said ... ==

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Thanks Sanjin.

The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.

So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?

Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.

Thank you.

--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.

It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.

Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.

The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?

For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.

The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.

--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)
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== Sanjin said ... ==

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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse.

I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.

--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?

It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.

One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.

Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...

A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL

I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true.

--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.

1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.

2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)

3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)
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Salome all,

I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.

May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related

Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1

Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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== Neckel said ... ==

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Hi Hawaiian,

I know that video already longer then you. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. With your statement, you encourage those who hate the homosexuals....... are you one of them ?

--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.
I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.

Janet

--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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