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Talk:Contact Report 117

2012-04-08T16:35:46Z

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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Contact Report 117

Billy
Man, I think that's great, but look here, I received these photos a few months ago from abroad, with the note that the pictures were made in a private museum of a man who had stolen some scrolls in an ancient grave somewhere in Egypt. I have also received the film of these pictures. What do you think of it, Ptaah?

Ptaah
(He looks closely at the photos and then puts them in a device, which looks like a screen, and then speaks some words that are unintelligible to me into the same device.)

Ptaah:
111. Yes, look here, the prints are genuine and show a photographed material that is 8,000 years old.

112. It concerns a paper-like material that has all the properties of paper but is far more stable and was used by the old descendants of the Lyrans who ultimately came to Earth

113. This means that the man with whom you've spoken must, therefore, actually be in possession of 8,000-year-old original documents

115. That is a great pity, so we can probably hardly find him, although it would be very valuable to have some of these original documents because we ourselves also don't possess such kinds of documents.

116. Especially the contents of this document photographed here are very valuable; we also weren't aware that such exists.

Obliviously there are still more unknown Lyrian/Vegan artifacts here on Earth that are very valuable to the Plejarens which remain a mystery until someone either discovers it or makes it available for inspection.

One has to bear in mind that Earth was a way point in the DERN universe, where various factions of ET’s fled to in order to escape the galactic wars almost 400,000 years ago, which itself was preceded earlier by the exodus of the DNA manipulated human warriors and the benevolent turned malevolent counter-parts of the Creator Overlords who fled with them to Earth, Mars and Malona.

These other ET’s would surely have left their artifacts somewhere on Earth to be discovered as well. However, their incarnations with its various interconnections will no doubt be major factor should the time occur to re-establish it’s merging form its origins both past and present with the Earth as its focal point, so that the present foundation is merged from its fragmented parts which spans both time/space into ONE. Energy and knowledge are never wasted; every part plays its vital role of evolution, there are many on Earth that fit this criteria, only if you recognize your true potentials and rid yourselves of degenerated practices and adhere to Creational attributes brought forth by BEAM and the Plejarens who are still being enlightened as we speak.
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I wonder how an improved translation of the German letter to the USA would now read...just better or more shocking/reality-instructing too?

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Markvd said ... ==

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..........................group hug everybody. :) j/k I doubt our planet dominated by materialism at that time and now would listen. The few scientific and logical people would find substance and validity in some of the words but it may have not ever reached there eyes or ears. I do not know if Earth will ever be a place where knowledge is it's greatest goal unless there can be a balance that can exist with over indulgent materialism and a more necessity driven materialism logic coupled with the need for consciousness evolution. There have been many mass natural disasters in the past where humanity could have found there way but somehow the worst qualities have somehow persevered through the ages through treacherous means. I am hopeful in the future because the youth of the world is keen to foolishness nowadays and hope they find there way to the top and change our course gradually.:)

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 02:21, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==

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I've tried to find out as much as possible about the find story relating to the 8,000-year-old fragment, which I find to be rather fascinating, but haven't been able to find out a whole lot so far. I'm hoping that I will be able to learn more about this in the future. Here's what I have so far, which others might find to be interesting as well:

At some time around the end of the year 1977, Meier received an envelope in the mail, which had no return address on it. Meier opened the envelope and found some photo negatives inside as well as a letter, which showed itself to be written by a man named Jim Crowley. In the letter, this Jim Crowley spoke of a fragment of an ancient scroll that had been placed on the Egyptian black market for sale several decades before. He explained that the fragment had been purchased in Egypt, together with other specimens, by a noble Englishman, said to be a private collector of antiquities, whose name still remains unknown to this day. The Englishman returned to England and added the fragment to his private collection there. Some time later, this Jim Crowley from England somehow came across the unnamed Englishman's private collection and secretly photographed the fragment. Jim Crowley then mailed the negatives of the fragment to Billy, along with the letter, asking if Billy or the Plejaren could decipher the letters; however, Crowley did not provide any return mailing address on his letter either. Billy then gave the negatives to Harald Proch, a photographer who was a member of FIGU in the 1970s, so that Proch could make some photos from the negatives. Once the photos were made and given to Billy, Billy immediately recognized the ancient Lyran script, the language of which he could still master rather well, and translated the document into German. Then, at this, the 117th Contact, Meier gave the photo and his translation of the inscription to Ptaah, who verified that Meier's translation was perfectly correct and then performed the analysis that yielded that the fragment was genuine and more than 8,000 years old.

Hopefully more details about this story are still to come in the future.

--[[User:Benjamin|βενιαμιν]] 13:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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I think _____ insemination done on a virgin ____ would be _______ , considering the _____ and _____ of female human life form, which are the main components of her reproduction system which ______ by the ______ of ______ , _____ , ______ , and ________ of the long evolution of ______ and the _________ of _____ out of which the ______ and ______ get their characteristic ______ specifically _____ as somekind of detector-regulator that dialectically _____ and ______ the ____ of _____ , in order to ____ the development of embryo.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Mikalm said ... ==

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spotted a typographical error...
" In the mad belief, a god being sith them, who in truth not does exist, they followed the pretentive and sponsored by American politicans wrong prophet, to end their lifes one year later under shots from murderers' weapons and by potassium cyanide in suicide."

obviously what was meant in English is:
"a god being WITH them, who in truth not does exist,"

thanks to all

--[[User:Mikalm|Mikalm]] 17:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Rrarena said ... ==

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The translation of the Henoch paper concerning the seven prophets given by Asket to Billy is poorly translated from the German... It is causeing much controversy... here is a better translation:

It is said in the prophetic sentence of the announcer Henoch.
He will again be as prophet of his mission in reincarnation in several rebirths as the most important announcer of the teachings of the spirit, like they are given in the laws of creation, and brought to the earth-men and announced to the earth-men from the guardian angels from the stars of Lyra and of Vega to the planet Terra. The announcer Henoch said: I am the announcer of truth, and in this mission I will again be under important times with the naming:

Elia, Jesaia, Jeremia, Jmmanuel, Muhammed, Billy

So I will servingly be among seven times as prophet, before in its sense of the change perfects to the following of the laws and directives of creation. So I will be in rebirth at the new-time, when the space will be conquered, and when the guardian angels of foreign stars once again step into appearance.My rebirth at that time will be as Billy and with the name Eduard Meier, which I will live in a land of peace of the north, which there will be named Helvetia. The man may then hear upon my voice , so he will be led into the light of the teachings of the spirit.

Translated from German Contact report by Ken Crawford.

--[[User:Rrarena|Rrarena]] 05:55, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==

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Rrarena,

Are you sure that the translation given above pertains to the same document that is found in Contact Report 117? If so, from where was the German retrieved? I cannot locate it at all in Block 3 of the German Contact Reports. Or is this some other document given to Billy by Asket? After all, the one in Contact 117 is not said to be given to Billy by Asket.

--[[User:Benjamin|βενιαμιν]] 13:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Rrarena said ... ==

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The translation of the Honoch message is incorrect, Moses is not mentioned.

--[[User:Rrarena|Rrarena]] 16:00, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==

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But how can one verify this for oneself if the German is not provided? What is the German original, from which the above translation was made?

--[[User:Benjamin|βενιαμιν]] 17:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==

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Alright. I now have something from a good source:

According to Christian Frehner of FIGU Switzerland, the following is Meier's German translation of the 8,000-year-old document:

Es ist gesagt im prophetischen Satz des Künders Henoch: Er in seiner Mission als Prophet wird wieder sein in Wiederleben in mehrfacher Wiedergeburt als wichtigster Künder der Lehren des Geistes, wie sie sind gegeben in den Gesetzen der Schöpfung, und dem Erdenmenschen dargebracht und gekündet von den Wächterengeln von den Gestirnen der Lyra und der Wega, zum Planeten Terra. Der Künder Henoch sagt: Ich bin der Künder der Wahrheit, und in dieser Mission werde ich wieder sein unter wichtigen Malen mit der Benennung: Elia, Jesaia, Jeremia, Jmmanuel, Muhammed, Billy, so ich unter sieben Malen als Prophet werde den Menschen dienlich sein, ehe sich in deren Gesinnung der Wandel vollziehet zur Befolgung der Gesetze und Gebote der Schöpfung. So werde ich sein in Wiedergeburt zur Neuzeit, da der Weltenraum wird erobert, und da die Wächterengel fremder Gestirne abermals in Erscheinung treten. Meine Wiedergeburt zu jener Zeit wird sein als Billy und mit dem Namen Eduard Meier, der ich wohnen werde in einem Friedenslande des Nordens, das da genannt sein wird Schweiz. Der Mensch möge dann hören auf meine Stimme, so er geführet werde in das Licht der Lehren des Geistes.

The following is Christian Frehner's English translation of the document, which he made in 2007:

It has been said in the prophetic sentence of the herald Henoch: He in his mission as prophet will be (live) again in repeated lives in multiple reincarnations as most important herald of the teachings of the spirit, as they are given in the laws of creation, and brought and announced to the Earth human on Terra by the guardian angels from the stars of Lyra and Vega. The herald Henoch says: I am the herald of truth, and in this mission I will be (live) again in important times by the names:

Elia, Jesaia, Jeremia, Jmmanuel, Muhammed, Billy,

(and) so I will serve the human beings as a prophet among seven times, before the change for the compliance with the laws and commandments of creation will take place in their thinking (convictions). So I will be (live) in reincarnation in the new time when space will be conquered, and when the guardian angels from foreign stars will appear once again. My reincarnation in that time will be as Billy and with the name Eduard Meier, and I will dwell in a land of peace in the North, which will be called Schweiz (Switzerland). The human being then may listen to my voice, so he may be led into the light of the teaching of the spirit.

[end of translation]

Unfortunately, this now raises more questions, for which it will probably be hard to find answers. The biggest one deals with the fact that Wendelle provided an image in Message from the Pleiades Volume 4, which shows the language that Michael Hessemann translated into English, and this looks nothing like what is presented above. So one must wonder: how was that language which appears on Wendelle's copy produced in the first place, and why is Meier's information so vastly different?

--[[User:Benjamin|βενιαμιν]] 20:06, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)Good work Benjamin, now this "discrepancy" between Col Wendelle Stevens copy and Billy's can only be explained by the Col himself, unfortunately he passed on. But one has to analyze the common variable between someone asking about the "missing" report of Moses (who plays a very minor role compared to the 7 main prophets) and Col Stevens, who unfortunately still harbored religious influences that often strayed from the truth.

This common variable of religious dogma often “contaminates” the intent of the mission and causes confusion amongst those seeking the truth. Besides spiritual evolution DOES NOT make commands (even the High Council agree so), so why is Moses (10 commandants) so important that without him being referenced will invalidate this evidence?

Then, would outside forces have influenced the Col work, was the Giza Intelligence playing havoc at this time or was it someone else like in the case at the Center when Billy's works were manipulated and things go missing without a trace?

Seems like a never ending conflict between the negative and positive forces.
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After sentence 166 of Ptah nearly at the end of Billy's reply.
"Damn it, not even children behave in such a way, for these let themselves talk with each other and teach each other."
I believe following translation, especially the second part, corresponds better to the german text "Verdammt, nicht einmal Kinder benehmen sich so, denn diese lassen mit sich reden und sich belehren.
"Damn it, not even children behave in such a way, for these let themselves be talked to and be taught."

--[[User:Robert1957|Robert1957]] 17:35, 8 April 2012 (BST)
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Talk:The Talmud of Jmmanuel

2012-03-21T09:35:07Z

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[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 22:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC) There is a discrepancy here. This page states that the '''prophecies''' of Jeremia and Elia are included within the 4th edition of the TJ but the title of the page ''[[Predictions of the Prophet Jeremia]]'' is obviously indicating that they are '''predictions'''. Are they predictions or prophecies or both? Same for Elia.
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May i know if Judas the author of this book have the chance to enter in to the kingdom of God?

--Dennis 21:48, 2 April 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Hi Dennis, No that's impossible because there is no kingdom of God. The spirit form that was incarnated as Judas has also already reincarnated several times since then. Please read the book Talmud of Jmmanuel for more information.

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 09:19, 3 April 2010 (BST)
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== R.A said ... ==

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How will be able to verrify the genuinity of the Talmud if we don't have the original one in Arameic? it will be another opening to be attacked by the authorities!

--R.A 12:40, 10 April 2010 (BST)
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC) R.A., Instead of depending on material confirmations, use your facility to logically reason the Creational meaning of the Talmud. The very fact that one is negatively influenced by religious dogmas that perpetuates itself through fear that some divine intervention will occur and society's iron-clad requirements of material verification that hinders the evolution of one's psyche and the ability to extrapolate such reasoning is the mechanism that keep people blind and easy to manipulate.

Independent logical interpretations can only be derived until one control these stagnated mindset attributes in order to be free from realizing the truth of things.
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These brutes that hide the truth should be incarnated in a special place. :) SPECIAL being the key word. We just need more organization and these cowards will fall.

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 02:16, 8 June 2011 (BST)
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== Robert1957 said ... ==

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Why doesn't Billy just go back in time again to get the scrolls safely home so that someone else can translate the remaining chapters?
Shouldn't this be possible?

--[[User:Robert1957|Robert1957]] 09:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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Talk:Contact Report 109

2012-03-21T08:21:17Z

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== Markvd said ... ==

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Guard that apple well Guido for many might try to find out if it has some special ET juice from it. I would put armed guards and a force field around it to make sure or just borrow Billy`s arsenal of gear to protect it. :)

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 01:17, 20 October 2010 (BST)
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== Newinitiation said ... ==

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Ptaah: Ptaah:
123. But of course. 123. Aber natürlich.
124. All equipment and the ship were completely eliminated by us. 124. Sämtliche Geräte und das Schiff wurden von uns total eliminiert.
125. As well as the buildings that were erected in the rooms. 125. So auch die in den Räumlichkeiten errichteten Bauten.
126. The rooms themselves were then filled with solid matter, namely with rock and other matter. 126. Die Räume selbst wurden anschliessend mit fester Materie, und zwar mit Felsgestein und sonstigem angefüllt.
127. This was done on the technological basis of the de- and re-materialization. 127. Das geschah auf der technischen Basis der Ent- und Rematerialisation.
Billy: Billy:
Then today, practically nothing points to the former existence of these things anymore? Dann weist heute praktisch nichts mehr auf die ehemalige Existenz dieser Dinge hin?
Ptaah: Ptaah:
128. No, for it had to be. 128. Nein, denn es musste sein.
Billy: Billy:
I understand. But did you also fill in all the other corridors and rooms? Ich verstehe. Doch habt ihr auch alle anderen Gänge und Räume nach oben hin verschüttet?
Ptaah: Ptaah:
129. No, we let these remain, of course. 129. Nein, diese liessen wir selbstverständlich bestehen.
130. Only everything that was necessary was destroyed.

This appears to be what colin andrews found in egypt's underground passageways

--[[User:Newinitiation|Newinitiation]] 01:54, 22 October 2010 (BST)
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)Newinitiation, have you ever wondered why the Plejarens conducted such thorough elimination of the Giza former presence under the pyramid? Could it be to completely eradicate their negative "essence" which are similar to those found in the walls and items of church dwellings, thus preventing any types of "connections" being re-established by other evil forces including those previously Giza or their ancestors that died here on Earth?

I just wonder if it's related somewhat to what the Sirian commandos did to installations on Mars when they arrested the MIB? There are hints that allude to these assumptions in FIGU Special Bulletin 038 and scattered throughout other Contact Reports. Peace-Hawaiian
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This is pretty cool,

49. The value of a spiritual leadership, however, lies in the fact that only teaching and advice-giving occur in one's performance of duty, without any ambition toward commands, so exercised and given in authoritative modesty.

I recently tried to ask this question in the forum over at figu and the answer was here all along.

a good word to remember is proselytizing as I think over time with my own experience people have said to me many times, "You think you are always right" now I think that it was because I was in a way proselytizing and therefor causing a suffocation of there belief system.

I will remember this and try to become a better teacher.

--[[User:Natdrip|Natdrip]] 21:34, 25 October 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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“Beliefs” or other “absolute” terminology words/phrases are dangerous concepts that “locks” one into hopeless situations that often lead to self-destruction instead of further evolution, since a superior complex more often than not, results of such thinking.

Spiritual leadership must encompass ALL relevant attributes and connections in order to be adequately “administered” as to maintain a balance or harmony amongst the inter-related parties at hand. Line 49 interpretation is valid for creational situations that follow some “normal” creational environment where evolution is not hampered or interfered with.

However, I have reservations on its “without any ambitions toward commands” in cases regarding other advanced ET’s ambition of power over less developed entities, derived through terror and Uncreational methods of oppression, existing at the expense of others including religions to keep the masses in servitude in order to justify their “absoluteness”.

There lies a philosophical dilemma in determining whether to be neutral or not, knowingly full well the resulting negative consequences for BOTH the victims and benefactors if allowed to proceed without intervention, which in some cases border on the fringes of being part of the problem not the solution. The Plejarens have the technological means to adequately forecast such endeavors utilizing in one case, programmed androids similar to Quetzal’s experiment to represent a dysfunctional group and BEAM. The logical conclusion was total destruction of two non-spiritual androids and a beamship, not an entire planet with millions of Beings.

I can understand the concept of “free will” in regards to advanced ET’s including their cohorts destroying themselves in their mad quest for absoluteness, but certainly not the victims under their tyrant control. Sometimes logical compassion and humane reasoning supersedes free will, especially in special cases which are thoroughly investigated accordingly to its respective appropriate inter-related connections and attributes for both sides of the “equation” between the have and have nots.

One can be amazingly surprised on how beautiful a flower will become, once the necessary nurture contributions are induced into its hostile environment. All it takes is a little water in one hand for the plant and a big stick in the other to keep the parasites at bay so that both can evolve in their own realms of reality without destroying everything.

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:46, 26 October 2010 (BST)
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== Robert1957 said ... ==

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I believe the verb in the english sentence 51 "is given" should be "gives", this corresponds better to the german text.
51. In her work area, it should be such that neither a male nor a female life form is given her specifications but rather that she is decisive in every respect, unless you, as the first and last authority, make additional or other arrangements.

--[[User:Robert1957|Robert1957]] 05:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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== Robert1957 said ... ==

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And also I believe "is given his specifications" in sentence 56 should be "gives him specifications.
This makes more sense in regard to the work of Jacobus.
56. In his work area, it should be such that neither a male nor a female life form is given his specifications but rather that he is decisive in every respect, unless you, as the first and last authority, make additional or other arrangements.

--[[User:Robert1957|Robert1957]] 06:10, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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== Robert1957 said ... ==

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After sentence 132 of Ptaah follows Billy's reply "The devil knows that something crooked must constantly run, but it probably can't be any different."
I believe, after reading the german text again, that it should be translated like this "The devil knows something will always go wrong, but it probably can't be any different."

--[[User:Robert1957|Robert1957]] 08:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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Talk:Contact Report 109

2012-03-21T06:10:29Z

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Talk:Contact Report 039

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== Zameen said ... ==

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AMAZING!!

--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 01:19, 28 September 2010 (BST)
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Benjamin Stevens,

Since the spiritual teachings are the most important information, could you please translate conatact reports #11 and #79 to English.

Thanks,
Tim

--[[User:Ietck1|Ietck1]] 15:00, 28 September 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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There are 3 areas I find interesting in this Contact Report, the first concerns the “potential” of certain Earth humans as described by Ptaah. Religions, material obsession, overpopulation, greed/lust for power, uncreational endeavors and others are all negative degenerative factors that prohibit evolution for both the material and spiritual Being of Earth humans.

Ptaah:
39. The Earth human being is a descendant of a human form from the depths of the Universe that is very highly developed in every way.

40. Accordingly, he is also highly developed in his proportional form.

41. In this connection, he is on an equal footing with our own race, which is already approximately 30 million years further developed

Ptaah:
81. The larger the gatherings of human beings are, such as in cities, the lower the average age falls, because exactly at such places, immeasurable thought energies, in terms of wrong lifestyles, are released and unconsciously penetrate into fellow human beings.

85. If the Earth human being wants to think and evolve correctly and in accordance with the Creation, then he may neither move his way of thinking in degenerated negative paths nor in degenerated positive paths, for both are degenerative that can produce very bad and negative consequences, so they are contrary to the Creation.

86. Right thinking and evolving express themselves through a well-balanced and neutral way of thinking and through right actions and right feelings, which then generate and send out identical forces, through which life is produced and maintained, and an evolution that is truly appropriate for Creation is followed.

The 3rd item of interest concerns the Plejarens themselves, they, like most humans are often predisposed on some “mindset” regardless of their much more advanced evolution that actually hinders their growth. Because one has to look much deeper including the Plejarens if we are to finalize the appropriate resolution(s) to both of our Creational evolutions since it is connected by past positive as well as negative encounters that are stored within the spirits of both sides of the equation.

The best way to address these discrepancies that create disharmony is continued interaction between the “Earth worms” of good character and those that wish to make sincere amends. After all, for those those are thinking about merging into the spiritual realms of evolution, do you really assume that others already at that level would welcome someone that still has negative links to other less evolved spirits as a result of one’s pass negative influences? How would one feel if their “environment” gets polluted by negative influences?

Or, would it be more appropriate to as what Billy mentions “Korrektieren” “put right” again, thus bringing back balance before proceeding to the next evolutionary level?

Billy:
We Earth worms are, after all, still a type of ancient swashbuckler – at least some of us. The unknown simply beckons us, and the harder life hits us, the more we can enjoy it. I will teach you this all right, perhaps when we shake a dinosaur’s paw.

Semjase:
103. May reason keep me from that.

Billy:
You see, that’s exactly what you have to turn off, for it inhibits everything in such matters because it generates anxiety. Reason tells you that a dinosaur is an evil beast, but the intellect says that the little creature only acts crazy when it feels excited. Thus, if we shake its paw quite peacefully, then it will start to be happy, but not to turn around.

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:31, 28 September 2010 (BST)
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== Alive said ... ==

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For me, Billy's explaination on reason (Vernunft) and intellect (Verstand) is quite weird. Even after I replaced intellect with "understanding" and then with "comprehension" it still seems not right, for me. Billy said that he got it from Sfath. I wonder if that is what Sfath said or that is Billy's interpretation on Sfath's explaination. If that is what Sfath said, that would seem extraordinary weird, for me.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 21:55, 28 September 2010 (BST)
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== Robert1957 said ... ==

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If you look at the second part of sentence 312 in the german version, you will notice that the german verb for "should take care of" is missing. It could be "erledigen" or something else.
312. He should take care of these concerns for you, and he should take care of your financial interests in all things.

312. Er soll sich um diese Belange für dich bemühen und er soll deine finanziellen Interessen in allen Dingen.

--[[User:Robert1957|Robert1957]] 20:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
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Talk:Contact Report 011

2012-03-18T18:29:33Z

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== Markvd said ... ==

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Semjase and her reports always leave a cliffhanger at the end and keeps me guessing.:)
CR1: be wary of barbaric race, what barbaric race?
which brings us to CR11 who crosses through space violently looking to conquer the universe? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 01:15, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Contact Report 011 should have been a learning experience for the Plejarens as it perceives the incident when BEAM suffered a breakdown due to unreasonable demands, which Quetzal proved to be true by an experiment with androids who destroyed themselves during role representations.

Further analysis on the following material below indicates a rather “aloof” prospective by the Plejarens who consider “influences” as some form of extreme emergency response in contrast to what other evil ET’s have and continue to do. What they have done in arresting the Giza, should have been done long ago and would have much more positive outcome. Hopefully they learn and apply themselves more precisely.

Semjase:
24. Your frequent force achievements of a physical form often exceed your last reserves and throw you down.
25. Even though you can regenerate your strength tremendously fast over and over again through the power of your spirit and consciousness, nevertheless, it is detrimental to your health.
27. It already borders on insanity, in view of the fact that your will exceeds the limits of what is possible for physical achievements, for your will is only driven by spiritual and consciousness-related force.
38. But we really only intervened in extreme emergencies - strictly speaking, three times.

Billy:
I noticed nothing of that.

Semjase:
39. You also couldn't do that because we only influenced human beings to find you.
40. Your action was quite right, and your logic was so sharp that I shudder at it.
42. You yourself had to deliberately condemn your own body and push your consciousness to the brink of insanity, while the two others only had to let hatred be aroused within them, through which they were pushed forward.

Notice that BEAM’s will to overcome his material physical body limitations in its quest for a higher goal borders upon what Semjase calls “insanity”, yet admit that this action was “quite right”. Under certain Earthly circumstances (considering all the negative influences) some things done here by its inhabitants appear barbaric and insane, but are somehow necessary in order to survive its rather harsh environment between good and evil.

Although the Plejarens and High Council are the primary leaders in this DERN universe for Creational teachings at the material level, they still have much to learn from those that were and continued to be denied the proper environment for harmonic logical reasoning and spiritual evolution.

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 02:10, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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== Sanjin said ... ==

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Everyone beware.

This contact report is falsified. Lines 105, 106, and 107 are wrong. Don't even bother studying this nonsence. I'm pretty damn sure that it wasn't Benjamins doing. The German sentences were translated properly but they themselves are falsified and are lies.

--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 04:39, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Sanjin, how did you gain that cognition?

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 10:53, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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== Sanjin said ... ==

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James, check on this page:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/OM.K49.htm

47. Everything that the human inherits, everything that he brings with him through the billion-fold existence of the past, everything that he enjoyed, knew, read, learnt or experienced in this or in past lives, lies concealed in his unconsciousness.

48. Why, therefore, does he not master the technique of concentration, and why does he not order his unconsciousness and make full use of all his knowledge and ability?

49. The yearning after all his knowledge and ability, after the experience and after the wisdom, lies yet hidden deep in him.

This one has also been tampered with :
110. When this happens and when the human being recognizes his spirit, the whole abundance gathered in previous lives will arise again in knowledge and wisdom, capability, freedom, love, and peace and will richly benefit him, once he learns to get all these values from the memory banks and to utilize them himself.

The original is:
52. If that happens, and the human recognises his spirit, the entire abundance of knowledge, wisdom, ability, freedom, love and peace collected in earlier lives comes about again and richly benefits him.

--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 14:48, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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== Sanjin said ... ==

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In the sentences translated by the Gaiaguys, unconsciosness should have been translated as subconsciousness.

--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 14:51, 23 October 2010 (BST)
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== Bigfoot said ... ==

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The part where it says "billions of past lives" caught my attention. The material minded person who falsified the truth is past lives greedy.

--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 04:01, 25 October 2010 (BST)
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== Bigfoot said ... ==

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This false report should be reported to Eduard Meier ASAP.

--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 04:08, 25 October 2010 (BST)
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== Zameen said ... ==

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So how are we to know what else has been falsified? There are so many contact reports. Is this a misinterpretation on wendelles part or is this different?

--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 04:21, 25 October 2010 (BST)
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== Alive said ... ==

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For those of you who think that the most important thing of Billy's material is spiritual teaching, please read this contact report over and over. You would see that discourse on beamship is not just something to start conversation between Billy and Semiase.
The Pleiarens did not give many informations about beamship technology because those are very precious and could be misused by Earth humans. Beamship is not something unimportant for Billy. He asked Semiase and other Pleiarens about it on several occasions. Beamship is also not something unimportant for the Pleiarens. They came to Earth by riding beamships, not by meditating.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:02, 25 October 2010 (BST)
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==

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I've already informed Sanjin that I retrieved the German version of this Contact Report from the most revised and most updated version of the German Contact Reports. Thus, it is my conclusion that the differences which appear throughout Semjase's teaching in this version of this Contact Report, as compared to earlier versions of this teaching that were released in other works, represent intentional corrections that have been approved by Meier. Thus, the earlier versions were erroneous, and this revised version is the most accurate one.

Nevertheless, I also told Sanjin to check with Christian Frehner, just to be sure, so we'll see what turns up in this regard in the future.

--[[User:Benjamin|βενιαμιν]] 18:50, 25 October 2010 (BST)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Semiase said: (144) The human being lives because the Creation exists, and his life must be so balanced and relatively perfect, as the Creation itself is balanced and relatively perfect.

It is different with Immanuel's explaination (I don't remember if it is in a contact report or in Talmud Immanuel) which said that Creation is perfecting itself over and over because it is not perfect.

[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:55, 2 November 2010 (UTC)I would agree with Semjase's first comment (if what quoted is true) IF the human's creational environment is balanced and "relatively" perfect. However, Earth humans are certainly NOT balanced, due to gross interferences, genetic manipulations of the worst possible kinds, including one of Creation's worst offenses called "programmed suicides" of shorten life cycles, then of course, Sons and Daughters of Heaven with their self-imposed absolute "god" and religions.

Then you have those that stood by, justifying their non involvement due to some "directive" or interpretation of "free will" of others in order to evolve in circumstances that are detrimental to others who are already seriously handicapped by the above statements.

Creation is always evolving itself; to be absolutely perfect is to prevent further evolution from continuing. But if one perceives "its" existence from an overview prospective, it is "relatively" perfect, that is relative to its components of various realms of existence, otherwise there would be no need of reincarnations and/or 7 different spiritual levels of evolution, since BEING PERFECT is absolute without any need for improvement

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 21:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Bigfoot said ... ==

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To achieve perfection would mean something is finite and so to achieve infinite would mean something is not perfect and thus there is unity.

--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 05:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Markvd said ... ==

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I don't think we will reach a material perfection but I think feelings and spiritual development may bring us close to it. I think all current products need a lot of work thus yearly upgrades to existing stuff such as TV, cars, phones, etc. it's like a neverending cycle here on Earth. ................Until then I await the transforming robot that can do everything and I mean EVERYTHING. Toaster oven, portable moving bathroom, space shuttle, boat, car, time machine..................and many more features.:)

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 14:24, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Hawaiian, I don't know whether Semiase really said it or not. I copied and pasted Semiase's statement from Contact Report 11 that I found on this website. I don't know about its validity and I don't care much.

Markvd, a robot you imagined must be so smart that it would quickly refuse to be your slave anymore.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Bigfoot, I'm not sure of what you mean, but I am happy to see that you mentioned something about the unity of finite and infinite. Please keep your current nickname, don't change "Bigfoot" to be "Big----".

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:30, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Markvd said ... ==

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Alive I do not believe it to be slavery when the robot my team perfects has no feelings, emotions, and only wants to get the bread toasted just right. :} If the robot was like Data from Star Trek with adaptive AI then send me to the prison planet.:}

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 23:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Semiase: (123) The direct display of the truth supersedes all useless objections; the realization of the truth makes everything down to the finest detail clear and self-explanatory.

For me personally that is the most beautiful words found on this slightly controversial english Contact Report 11. So beautiful because they are so encouraging. Beauty always encourages me to search for more informations about it. Beautiful women who walked passing-by before my eyes encouraged me, through their brief presence, to know more about them (what are their names? where do they live? and so on.) Instinctively I know that I could find something true inside a beauty, and something beautiful inside a truth.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 06:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Sanjin said ... ==

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Hi everyone.

I want to quickly inform everyone here that I got in contact with Elisabeth Gruber who is responsible for correspondence with FIGU. She did some investigating and what came out is that this version is indeed the updated one. So what Benjamin said is correct.

What is somewhat strange is that they thanked me for my attentiveness. They said it was a great help to them and will include these updates in the new version of the OM.

What I found out did not really satisfy me, for one because the updated version does not make sense properly to me and is quite the opposite from what was originally written. Also, I'm pretty sure that I read in one of these earlier contacts that they would not be changing anything that was stated in the contact reports. Plus, there are some other questions that this has raised for me, but I will get back to this issue later.

--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 14:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Sanjin wrote: "They said it was a great help to them and will include these updates in the new version of the OM."

New version of OM? After the new version of Talmud Immanuel? Will there be new version of Contact Report? New spiritual teachings? New doubts? New confusions? New angers?

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 14:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Markvd said ... ==

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Alive I believe that they said they cannot reveal the full reports now because there are literary assassins on the loose with dangerous lethal story changing capabilities.:) A wonderous gift of many during these times. I would like to know what year in the future all the reports will be divulged in it's true full glory.

--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
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== DBeilin said ... ==

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In contact #17 Billy was asking about hypnosis to connect to his past lives, but the contact notes just stop there. Is there more information on this subject? Why didn't it work?

--[[User:Dbeilin|Dbeilin]] 04:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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== DBeilin said ... ==

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In contact #17 Billy was asking about hypnosis to connect to his past lives, but the contact notes just stop there. Is there more information on this subject? Why didn't it work?

--[[User:Dbeilin|Dbeilin]] 04:34, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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DBeilin,

The Plejarens "embedded" some protection counter-measures to protect the information in Billy in case of unauthorized attempts to reveal its secrets. Such attempts could be fatal for those doing such deeds. See the article below from Contact 115.
Contact Report 115

Ptaah:
36. But this also means that you must be careful that you also aren't connected to mechanical devices or apparatuses which could elicit any things from you or which would force you to speak

Billy:
You probably mean essentially the so-called truth serums and lie detectors, etc., right?

Ptaah:
37. That is of extreme exactness and correctness.

38. You may never get involved in such things, but also not in suggestion and hypnosis, where the latter could, under certain circumstances, end fatally for the practitioner.

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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== Aernesttree said ... ==

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exelent stuff saalome

--[[User:Aernesttree|Aernesttree]] 09:34, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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== Robert1957 said ... ==

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I think the translation of sentence 74 should be " 74. The human being himself is a very multi-layered being, and his various shrouds conceal others (meaning people) parts of his real personality."
(I am a dutch speaking person and Dutch is related to German.)

--[[User:Robert1957|Robert1957]] 18:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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It could also be translated like this. The human himself is a very multilayered being, and his various shrouds hide his real personality from other people.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 05:42, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
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== Robert1957 said ... ==

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To Alive:
You're right.
It doesn't say "parts" anywhere in the german text of sentence 74.

--[[User:Robert1957|Robert1957]] 18:29, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
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