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Sanjin at 00:24, 27 October 2009

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	--[[User:Sanjin\|Sanjin]] 17:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)In this sentence, they didn't translate another thing according to its correctness. The word erniedrigen means degrading, or demeaning or debasing themselves. It was simply translated as bow down. Through selflessness, you actually demean yourself, because you spend all your time worshipping others, whereby in modesty, you live in equitableness with others.		--[[User:Sanjin\|Sanjin]] 17:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)In this sentence, they didn't translate another thing according to its correctness. The word erniedrigen means degrading, or demeaning or debasing themselves. It was simply translated as bow down. Through selflessness, you actually demean yourself, because you spend all your time worshipping others, whereby in modesty, you live in equitableness with others.

			--[[User:Sanjin\|Sanjin]] 00:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)I think that I got to the bottom of this issue. According to my research, the German word "selbstlos" actually does not have the same meaning as selfless. They probably think that it does, like I did. "Selbstlos" means that at one's acting (behaving), one does not think of his/her Advantage. Selflessness, on the other hand, means that one does not think about himself at all. While I do agree with being Selbstlos, selflessness is a false teaching, imo. Sorry if I'm questioning too much, but I want the truth and nothing but the truth.

			But hey, look at this:

			http://dict.figu.org/node/2428

Sanjin at 17:02, 18 October 2009

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	Kelch: 6:182 = modesty (selflessness)		Kelch: 6:182 = modesty (selflessness)

	-In my opinion, they have its value a little shifted. Bescheidenheit is modesty, but Genügsamkeit is closest to enough-ness or having enough of something. But there is no such a word in the English language. Contentment is actually close to Genügsamkeit, but is more relative to being satisfied. But is also depends on the context, I still have to check on that.		-In my opinion, they have its value a little shifted. Bescheidenheit is modesty, but Genügsamkeit is closest to enough-ness or having enough of something. But there is no such a word in the English language. Contentment is actually close to Genügsamkeit, but is more relative to being satisfied. But it also depends on the context, I still have to check on that.

	http://de.thefreedictionary.com/Bescheidenheit		http://de.thefreedictionary.com/Bescheidenheit
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	to be more than you are, as well as the worship in senselessness performed by others who bow down to pay		to be more than you are, as well as the worship in senselessness performed by others who bow down to pay
	you homage (glorify you).		you homage (glorify you).

			--[[User:Sanjin\|Sanjin]] 17:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)In this sentence, they didn't translate another thing according to its correctness. The word erniedrigen means degrading, or demeaning or debasing themselves. It was simply translated as bow down. Through selflessness, you actually demean yourself, because you spend all your time worshipping others, whereby in modesty, you live in equitableness with others.

MarksmanR at 23:17, 17 October 2009

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	But in a sense, if one realizes that true leadership comes from setting a good example for others, so developing oneself to the fullest potential can be considered a selfless act, as it was motivated by having to teach others who are unknowledgable regarding the laws and recommendations of Creation.		But in a sense, if one realizes that true leadership comes from setting a good example for others, so developing oneself to the fullest potential can be considered a selfless act, as it was motivated by having to teach others who are unknowledgable regarding the laws and recommendations of Creation.

			[[User:MarksmanR\|MarksmanR]] 23:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC) I don't know the explanation why selflessness was chosen, but to me it is the most suitable and here is just one example of it in the Goblet of Truth:

			298) Seid niemals überheblich zu euren Nächsten und lebt in '''Bescheidenheit''' mit allen und mit euch selbst; strebt
			nicht nach Ansehen und Berühmtheit, denn sonst verfallt ihr dem Grössenwahn, der Selbstsucht und dem,
			dass ihr mehr scheinen wollt, als ihr seid, wie auch der Anbetung in Unvernunft durch die andern, die sich
			erniedrigen, um euch zu huldigen (verherrlichen).

			298) Never be haughty with your next ones, and live in '''selflessness''' with everyone and with yourself; do not strive
			for renown and fame, because otherwise you will fall victim to megalomania, selfishness and wanting to appear
			to be more than you are, as well as the worship in senselessness performed by others who bow down to pay
			you homage (glorify you).

Sanjin at 20:19, 17 October 2009

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 Kelch: 6:182 = modesty (selflessness)
--In my opinion, they have it's value a little shifted. Bescheidenheit is modesty, but Genügsamkeit is closest to enough-ness or having enough of something. But there is no such a word in the English language. Contentment is actually close to Genügsamkeit, but is more relative to being satisfied. But is also depends on the context, I still have to check on that.
+-In my opinion, they have its value a little shifted. Bescheidenheit is modesty, but Genügsamkeit is closest to enough-ness or having enough of something. But there is no such a word in the English language. Contentment is actually close to Genügsamkeit, but is more relative to being satisfied. But is also depends on the context, I still have to check on that.
 http://de.thefreedictionary.com/Bescheidenheit
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 The dictionary also confirms my thoughts. Depending on how the word selflessness is being understood, is how you interpret it. In my best opinion, selflessness deviates from the spiritual teachings. If people don't give themselves the necessary respect and treasures, namely the inner prosperousness, how can they even wit how to give it to others?

Sanjin at 08:24, 17 October 2009

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	[[User:MarksmanR\|MarksmanR]] 05:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC) Well on dict.figu.org, they have "Genügsamkeit" to mean modesty and "Bescheidenheit" to mean selflessness. Remember, there are good reasons why these particular translations are chosen...		[[User:MarksmanR\|MarksmanR]] 05:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC) Well on dict.figu.org, they have "Genügsamkeit" to mean modesty and "Bescheidenheit" to mean selflessness. Remember, there are good reasons why these particular translations are chosen...

			--[[User:Sanjin\|Sanjin]] 08:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
			''Genügsamkeit (Bescheidenheit)''

			Kelch: 6:182 ... doch sie sind trotzdem genügsam (bescheiden) und setzen sich nicht um Rangstufen über euch, so sie sich euch gleichstellen und keine Vorrechte heischen (verlangen) gegenüber euch, also sie in jeder Weise in Genügsamkeit (Bescheidenheit) Euresgleichen (Menschen) sind und sich euch gleichrichten (gleichstellen).

			German Description:
			Kelch 2:373; 6:56,182; 10:69; 11:24 = contentment (selflessness)
			Kelch: 6:182 = modesty (selflessness)

			-In my opinion, they have it's value a little shifted. Bescheidenheit is modesty, but Genügsamkeit is closest to enough-ness or having enough of something. But there is no such a word in the English language. Contentment is actually close to Genügsamkeit, but is more relative to being satisfied. But is also depends on the context, I still have to check on that.

			http://de.thefreedictionary.com/Bescheidenheit

			http://www.thefreedictionary.com/selflessness

			The dictionary also confirms my thoughts. Depending on how the word selflessness is being understood, is how you interpret it. In my best opinion, selflessness deviates from the spiritual teachings. If people don't give themselves the necessary respect and treasures, namely the inner prosperousness, how can they even wit how to give it to others?

MarksmanR at 05:39, 17 October 2009

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	--[[User:Sanjin\|Sanjin]] 05:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)Hm, OK, thanks. I'll try to talk to them about it.		--[[User:Sanjin\|Sanjin]] 05:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)Hm, OK, thanks. I'll try to talk to them about it.

			[[User:MarksmanR\|MarksmanR]] 05:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC) Well on dict.figu.org, they have "Genügsamkeit" to mean modesty and "Bescheidenheit" to mean selflessness. Remember, there are good reasons why these particular translations are chosen...

Sanjin at 05:16, 17 October 2009

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	[[User:MarksmanR\|MarksmanR]] 04:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC) I appreciate your concerns for the translation of Bescheidenheit Sanjin, but the official translation is "selflessness". See [http://dict.figu.org/node/1794 dict.figu.org].		[[User:MarksmanR\|MarksmanR]] 04:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC) I appreciate your concerns for the translation of Bescheidenheit Sanjin, but the official translation is "selflessness". See [http://dict.figu.org/node/1794 dict.figu.org].


			--[[User:Sanjin\|Sanjin]] 05:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)Hm, OK, thanks. I'll try to talk to them about it.

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[[User:MarksmanR|MarksmanR]] 04:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC) I appreciate your concerns for the translation of Bescheidenheit Sanjin, but the official translation is "selflessness". See [http://dict.figu.org/node/1794 dict.figu.org].