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'''How much of the success of the English (or any) language is owed to its basis in other languages?'''<br> | '''How much of the success of the English (or any) language is owed to its basis in other languages?'''<br> | ||
A: Its history possibly has some minimal contributing factor, it is a language which has allowed itself to evolve through the times alongside some great languages. However opinions vary on the root of that actually, some see success of any language as stemming from a different set of root causes and factors. Some say the language itself (any) doesn't matter (though at a minimum it has to be legible/useful), so much as other factors, such as the traditions, ambitions, aspirations, temperament, mentality of a group of folks, divided by the land area, climate, leadership, modesty, love and community cohesion and values. Some folks go one step further and claim it's based on farmers. If farmers are successful i.e. if the land is managed well, know what they are doing, then; as folks are well fed and watered, they have a good chance of being able to develop themselves in various ways over time. Some other folks claim it's all about the social system and the availability and growth of good opportunities; capitalism emerged in England in the 17th Century or so, there may be some truth to that too. But others have argued that before that, preceding it, the basis is rooted in the arability of the land i.e. farmers and farming communities. We don't know for certain as yet what effect overpopulation has on those foundational qualities of a population, but we think all those good founding values then disintegrate. Research it some more and check. | A: Its history possibly has some minimal contributing factor, it is a language which has allowed itself to evolve through the times alongside some great languages. However opinions vary on the root of that actually, some see success of any language as stemming from a different set of root causes and factors. Some say the language itself (any) doesn't matter (though at a minimum it has to be legible/useful), so much as other factors, such as the traditions, ambitions, aspirations, temperament, mentality of a group of folks, divided by the land area, climate, leadership, modesty, love and community cohesion and values. Some folks go one step further and claim it's based on farmers. If farmers are successful i.e. if the land is managed well, know what they are doing, then; as folks are well fed and watered, they have a good chance of being able to develop themselves in various ways over time. Some other folks claim it's all about the social system and the availability and growth of good opportunities; capitalism emerged in England in the 17th Century or so, there may be some truth to that too. But others have argued that before that, preceding it, the basis is rooted in the arability of the land i.e. farmers and farming communities. We don't know for certain as yet what effect overpopulation has on those foundational qualities of a population, but we think all those good founding values then disintegrate. We know that food aid is inhumane. Research it some more and check. | ||
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Quick intro, at a glance, for new learners
FIGU Forum: FIGU English Forum section - Learning German (External)
You’re already going to go far knowing English, in terms of being able to communicate across the world. However Plejaren linguists designate English something like a halfway auxiliary language, compared that is, to Swiss German, see The_Plejaren#Languages.
Ptaah in Contact Report 488 said:
| English | German |
| The information from the language experts which was given to me informs us that the actual German language as well as Swiss German stems from the ancient language-branch ”ARJN“, from which all Germanic, Indo-Germanic, Latin, and Celtic languages and dialects have come forth; then, unfortunately, also the very inadequate English language, which essentially only corresponds to an auxiliary language. But fundamentally - as it was explained to me - German and Swiss German, each with its own dialects, are two different independent languages, which however, exhibit a certain relationship. Each language - German and Swiss German - has its own dialects, just as becomes evident with the main languages and principle auxiliary languages. Therefore, those terrestrials versed in the knowledge of languages make assumptions from completely wrong premises concerning the connections between languages and dialects, as they very often also do in regard to the initial origin of words and terms. They often live in assumptions and suppositions concerning this, without fundamentally possessing real knowledge. Therefore Swiss German is erroneously also called German, although this deals with two different languages. | Die mir gegebene Information der Sprachenkundigen lautet, dass die eigentliche deutsche Sprache sowie das Schweizerdeutsch dem uralten Sprachstamm ‹ARJN› entstammen, aus dem alle germanischen, indogermanischen, lateinischen und keltischen Sprachen und Dialekte hervorgegangen sind, leider dann auch die sehr mangelhafte englische Sprache, die eigentlich nur einer Hilfssprache entspricht. Grundsätzlich aber, so wurde mir erklärt, sind Deutsch und Schweizerdeutsch mit ihren ihnen je eigenen Dialekten zwei verschiedene eigenständige Sprachen, die jedoch eine gewisse Verwandtschaft aufweisen. Jede Sprache, Deutsch und Schweizerdeutsch, hat eigene Dialekte, wie das eben nur bei den Hauptsprachen und Haupthilfssprachen in Erscheinung tritt. Die irdischen Sprachenkundigen gehen also von völlig falschen Voraussetzungen aus in bezug auf die Zusammenhänge der Sprachen und Dialekte, wie auch sehr häufig hinsichtlich der ursprünglichen Herkunft der Worte und Begriffe. Sie leben diesbezüglich vielfach in Annahmen und Vermutungen, ohne grundlegend wirkliches Wissen zu besitzen. Daher wird irrtümlich das Schweizerdeutsch auch als Deutsch bezeichnet, obwohl es sich um zwei verschiedene Sprachen handelt. |
Swiss German and German are two independent languages, each with their own dialects.
Why learn a second, third or fourth language anyway?
Being bilingual (reading and speaking two languages) is good for many reasons; it’s a skill, demonstrates ability to solve problems, brings up intelligence generally. It draws the studying persons attention to words, and words are all civilization has ever been founded upon in any epoch and words are the way we think and feel. It also allows the bilingual person to communicate with many more folks than before, opens up wider social opportunities which is nice, and it anyway sits well on a curriculum vitae / résumé.
Learning German also means learning the German, learning about German, Swiss and Austrian people etc. Some say people are the same wherever you go in the world, some may even say they are the same on many worlds etc., this is a misconception and tends to alienate the individual from the language and people they are studying. Learning a language is a long term study and appreciation of a people, their society, community, rules, customs, etiquette, culture, emphasises, prejudices, history, tastes, behaviours. If it is not this way then your an alien. This by the way is why on a number of levels several of the Plejaren such as Ptaah are not aliens, because of a very long profound study and investigation, personal learning study and assimilation. While learning English you probably were communicating with folks all over the world, well that is what that is.
Basically if you want to learn Swiss German, it's best to be taught by a Swiss tutor, be communicating with the Swiss, read Swiss documents, watch Swiss films and be listening to Swiss music etc. It's similar to learning English in USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK, South Africa, Nigeria, Philippines, India etc., these will be slightly different courses of learning English and will be supplemented with the nationally associated identity. Learning Swiss German by the Swiss instead of by Germans or Austrians makes sense if that is what you wanted to speak and learn because the dialect is being transferred. It also depends on the range of source material one is learning from etc. Learning Swiss German partly by FIGU literature sort of makes sense.
If you’re going to be bilingual or multilingual, twinning German and English is a good combination, apparently is easier and faster for those who know English. Many English speakers learn French by default and others Spanish and Italian so in those cases tripling it with German seems a reasonable way forward, may as well.
The English and German languages share some old connection.
Sometimes the words are written the same or similar but pronounced differently and sometimes they’re written differently but pronounced the same or similar.
To throw you into getting started and beginning to pick out and identify key words, here are some of those words that are similar.
Easy list
| English > German | English > German | English > German |
|---|---|---|
| Hamburger > Hamburger Lager > Lagerbier |
Fine > Fein Good > Gut |
Mouse > Maus House > Haus |
This page is similar: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:List_of_German_cognates_with_English
These are just the similar terms, and there are ofcourse many more, but the way of creating a sentence and pronouncing the words is different and that will be the thing that takes the time to learn.
Non-standard, slang or colloquial terms used by English speakers are sometimes alleged not to be real words, despite appearing in numerous dictionaries. All words in English became accepted by being commonly used for a certain period of time; thus there are many informal words currently regarded as "incorrect" in formal speech or writing, but the idea that they are not words is a misconception. Examples of words that are sometimes alleged not to be words include "irregardless", "conversate", "funnest", "mentee", "impactful", and "thusly", all of which appear in numerous dictionaries as English words.
Nowadays many young persons throughout the world are taught English by professionals, in school and in childhood and develop a high level of skill with it. There are therefore many videos on youtube that you can bring up where locals demonstrate how they speak of all ages and personality types, and translate what they’re talking about into English as a lesson.
The best way to learn German is taking a regular class in your local town with a professional tutor in a class or private tuition lessons. Using the Duolingo learning computer software which is free or any learning software, some software may or may not be better because its paid for, its a normal open misconception that money gives you the best, but it may be better in some ways. And physically visiting those areas of Europe.
If you're serious about learning Swiss German, learn in Switzerland
You choose. It may be the case that the Plejaren are not aware of the economics of it, or it's been politically motivated to lift up the Swiss, they've very rarely spoken about economics. It's probably cheaper to learn German outside of Europe and Deutschland German not Swiss German. It's probably similar to learning English, well we know at least that a lot of Asians prefer heading to the Phillipines to learn English, or if closer to Latin America, then to Belize or one of the English-speaking Caribbean islands to learn English. If you don't care about any of that, or you're wealthy enough for that not to be a problem, and want to learn Swiss German then find a way of going to Switzerland to learn it and be among the Swiss. Most people cannot afford to learn Swiss German and don't qualify to take German in Deutschland even though they've eliminated tuition costs. There is only 7-8 million Swiss in the world, and they don't invite a thousand million individuals into their country for free language courses and even if they did, there wouldn't be enough jobs for them to do to pay to live, fly over and back even if they did offer to pay to offer their language. One way could be to go and live and apply for citizenship in a war zone nation for the required number of years, then enter Switzerland as a refugee because refugees are offered language courses unconditionally, but it's a long, dangerous, competitive means to have the Swiss German language laid upon you, there are easier ways of raising the money and the quantity of paperwork will be similar either way. Realistically despite what Ptaah has explained about learning Swiss German, learning German one way or another is better than not at all, where you already live. That is why we have listed internet methods such as Duolingo and Youtube, so you can learn anywhere and by many different methods using the internet, whatever you want or can do, you choose.
In English we adopted the old Roman term Germania, presumably back in Roman times, for the geographical region in north-central Europe (for all intents and purposes, Europe). Which is probably why we call it German and Germany today. However that old Germania has since then been divided up into the many countries we know in Europe i.e. Europe; and German is now spoken in Switzerland, Deutschland (Germany), Austria, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg, Belgium, Italy (the province South Tyrol/Alto Adige), Slovakia (some villages), which is basically that old Germania area. Dutch has some link, and let’s not get too deeply into it but England and the English language itself relook at the list above well surely ok there is some link.
There is a difference between the way the Swiss German and Deutschland and Austrian (Österreich) German speakers use the language which isn’t a particularly important fact to know at this stage and is the sort of thing becomes self evidential by itself.
Learning German will give you better access to travelling around north-central Europe and conversing with the locals, if later in life you want to take a look around. But it will allow you to read a fair few good German books, there are some really good ones, and of course Billy Meiers books. It then gives you access to reading all of Billys books, and they will also make more sense, and much more information will come out of what has been explained by extraterrestrials. Information that has never been translated into English are in those Books, because of the shear volume of it all and the time required to translate it.
It will be a challenge, especially if you’ve already developed your brain and are now over 20, but life, it’s all a struggle and experience anyway. Good with making your own luck, all the best with it.
Language informal FAQ and Q&A
How much of the success of the English (or any) language is owed to its basis in other languages?
A: Its history possibly has some minimal contributing factor, it is a language which has allowed itself to evolve through the times alongside some great languages. However opinions vary on the root of that actually, some see success of any language as stemming from a different set of root causes and factors. Some say the language itself (any) doesn't matter (though at a minimum it has to be legible/useful), so much as other factors, such as the traditions, ambitions, aspirations, temperament, mentality of a group of folks, divided by the land area, climate, leadership, modesty, love and community cohesion and values. Some folks go one step further and claim it's based on farmers. If farmers are successful i.e. if the land is managed well, know what they are doing, then; as folks are well fed and watered, they have a good chance of being able to develop themselves in various ways over time. Some other folks claim it's all about the social system and the availability and growth of good opportunities; capitalism emerged in England in the 17th Century or so, there may be some truth to that too. But others have argued that before that, preceding it, the basis is rooted in the arability of the land i.e. farmers and farming communities. We don't know for certain as yet what effect overpopulation has on those foundational qualities of a population, but we think all those good founding values then disintegrate. We know that food aid is inhumane. Research it some more and check.
Deutsche Grammatik
das Verb
Präsens
Die Hilfsverben
| sein | haben | werden | |
|---|---|---|---|
| ich | bin | habe | werde |
| du | bist | hast | wirst |
| er/sie/es | ist | hat | wird |
| wir | sein | haben | werden |
| ihr | seid | habt | werdet |
| sie/Sie | sein | haben | werden |
Regelmäßige (schwache) Verben
| leben | machen | sagen | gehen | bleiben | bringen | beginnen | suchen | denken | fragen | hören | kaufen | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ich | lebe | mache | sage | gehe | bleibe | bringe | beginne | suche | denke | frage | höre | kaufe |
| du | lebst | machst | sagst | gehst | bleibst | bringst | beginnst | suchst | denkst | fragst | hörst | kaufst |
| er/sie/es | lebt | macht | sagt | geht | bleibt | bringt | beginnt | sucht | denkt | fragt | hört | kauft |
| wir | leben | machen | sagen | gehen | bleiben | bringen | beginnen | suchen | denken | fragen | hören | kaufen |
| ihr | lebt | macht | sagt | geht | bleibt | bringt | beginnt | sucht | denkt | fragt | hört | kauft |
| sie/Sie | leben | machen | sagen | gehen | bleiben | bringen | beginnen | suchen | denken | fragen | hören | kaufen |
| schwimmen | probieren | singen | spielen | trinken | wohnen | zeigen | brauchen | lieben | fliegen | kommen | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ich | schwimme | probiere | singe | spiele | trinke | wohne | zeige | brauche | liebe | fliege | komme |
| du | schwimmst | probierst | singst | spielst | trinkst | wohnst | zeigst | brauchst | liebst | fliegst | kommst |
| er/sie/es | schwimmt | probiert | singt | spielt | trinkt | wohnt | zeigt | braucht | liebt | fliegt | kommt |
| wir | schwimmen | probieren | singen | spielen | trinken | wohnen | zeigen | brauchen | lieben | fliegen | kommen |
| ihr | schwimmt | probiert | singt | spielt | trinke | wohnt | zeiget | braucht | liebt | fliegt | kommt |
| sie/Sie | schwimmen | probieren | singen | spielen | trinken | wohnen | zeigen | brauchen | lieben | fliegen | kommen |
Regelmäßige (schwache) Verben mit e-Erweiterung
| öffnen | finden | antworten | arbeiten | bedeuten | kosten | senden | warten | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ich | öffne | finde | antworte | arbeite | bedeute | kosten | sende | warte |
| du | öffnest | findest | antwortest | arbeitest | bedeutest | kostest | sendest | wartest |
| er/sie/es | öffnet | findet | antwortet | arbeitet | bedeutet | kostet | sendet | wartet |
| wir | öffnen | finden | antworten | arbeiten | bedeuten | kosten | senden | warten |
| ihr | öffnet | findet | antwortet | arbeitet | bedeutet | kostet | sendet | wartet |
| sie/Sie | öffnen | finden | antworten | arbeiten | bedeuten | kosten | senden | warten |
Regelmäßige (schwache) Verben mit e-Tilgung bei Endung eln und ern
| sammeln | verbessern | |
|---|---|---|
| ich | sammle | verbessere |
| du | sammelst | verbesserst |
| er/sie/es | sammelt | verbessert |
| wir | sammeln | verbessern |
| ihr | sammelt | verbessert |
| sie/Sie | sammeln | verbessern |
Unregelmäßige (starke) Verben
| reisen | heißen | setzen | |
|---|---|---|---|
| ich | reise | heiße | setze |
| du | reist | heißt | setzt |
| er/sie/es | reist | heißt | setzt |
| wir | reisen | heißen | setzen |
| ihr | reist | heißt | setzt |
| sie/Sie | reisen | heißen | setzen |
| fahren | schlafen | |
|---|---|---|
| ich | fahre | schlafe |
| du | fährst | schläfst |
| er/sie/es | fährt | schläft |
| wir | fahren | schlafen |
| ihr | fahrt | schlaft |
| sie,/Sie | fahren | schlafen |
| helfen | geben | nehmen | essen | lesen | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ich | helfe | gebe | nehme | esse | lese |
| du | hilfst | gibst | nimmst | isst | liest |
| er/sie/es | hilft | gibt | nimmt | isst | liest |
| wir | helfen | geben | nehmen | essen | lesen |
| ihr | helft | gebt | nehmt | esst | lest |
| sie/Sie | helfen | geben | nehmen | essen | lesen |
| tun | |
|---|---|
| ich | tue |
| du | tust |
| er/sie/es | tut |
| wir | tun |
| ihr | tut |
| sie/Sie | tun |
Reflexive Verben
| sich treffen | |
|---|---|
| ich | treffe mich |
| du | triffst dich |
| er/sie/es | trifft sich |
| wir | treffen uns |
| ihr | trefft euch |
| sie/Sie | treffen sich |
Trennbare Verben
| auskommen | anrufen | |
|---|---|---|
| ich | komme aus | rufe an |
| du | kommst aus | rufst an |
| er/sie/es | kommt aus | ruft an |
| wir | kommen aus | rufen an |
| ihr | kommt aus | ruft an |
| sie/Sie | kommen aus | rufen an |
Nicht trennbare Verben
| bekommen | bestellen | besuchen | bezahlen | verstehen | vergessen | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ich | bekomme | bestelle | besuche | bezahle | verstehe | vergesse |
| du | bekommst | bestellst | besuchst | bezahlst | verstehst | vergisst |
| er/sie/es | bekommt | bestellt | besucht | bezahlt | versteht | vergisst |
| wir | bekommen | bestellen | besuchen | bezahlen | verstehen | vergessen |
| ihr | bekomme | bestellt | besucht | bezahlt | versteht | vergesst |
| sie/Sie | bekommen | bestellen | besuchen | bezahlen | verstehen | vergessen |
Die Modalverben und wissen
| können | sollen | wollen | müssen | mögen | dürfen | wissen | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ich | kann | soll | will | muss | mag | darf | weiß | |
| du | kannst | sollst | willst | musst | magst | darfst | weißt | |
| er, sie, es | kann | soll | will | muss | mag | daft | weiß | |
| wir | können | sollen | wollen | müssen | mögen | dürfen | wissen | |
| ihr | könnt | sollt | wollt | müsst | mögt | dürft | wisst | |
| sie/Sie | können | sollen | wollen | müssen | mögen | dürfen | wissen |
Links
Dictionaries
- http://dict.leo.org/
- http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/
- http://de-en.dict.cc/
- http://dictionary.reverso.net/german-english/
Translation Services
- http://translate.google.com/
- http://www.online-translator.com/
- http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
- http://itranslate4.eu/
- http://translate.reference.com/
Text to Speach Demos
- http://text-to-speech.imtranslator.net/
- http://www.oddcast.com/home/demos/tts/tts_example.php
- http://www2.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php
- http://cepstral.com/demos/
- http://www.loquendo.com/en/demo-center/interactive-tts-demo/
- http://enterprisecontent.nuance.com/vocalizer5-network-demo/index.html
- http://www.ivona.com/
Language Learning Communities
- https://www.duolingo.com/
- https://www.livemocha.com/
- http://www.busuu.com/
- http://www.lingq.com/
- http://www.hello-hello.com/
Grammar Tables
- http://www.mein-deutschbuch.de/
- http://www.vistawide.com/german/grammar/german_grammar.htm
- http://www.dartmouth.edu/~german/Grammatik/Grammatik.html
- http://deutsch.lingo4u.de/
- http://www.canoo.net/
- http://www.verbformen.de/
Web, Audio, Video Courses
- http://www.dw-world.de/dw/0,,2547,00.html
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/german/
- http://www.udoklinger.de/Deutsch/
- http://userweb.port.ac.uk/~joyce1/abinitio/
- http://fsi-language-courses.org/Content.php?page=German
- http://www.ielanguages.com/German.html
- http://www.germanforspalding.org/
- http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/German
