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Hawaiian 21:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)Good day Jamesm and Phenix, this petition is a step in the right direction, hopefully more logical people can embrace it for a well abused Earth and biosystems caused by far too many humans. There are many negative forces that strive for the "status quo" in regards to energy and control of human consciousness via stupid religions and power lust individuals, the task is daunting and I do admit at this conjure, we could use some intervention from our ET friends. Maybe all we need to do is to ask and see what they say? Is the Peace Meditation occurring every weekend not just the 1st and 3rd of each month?
Jamesm 00:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC) This line is the first comment.
Phenix 06:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC) Great work, Kamerad James! And so timely! - praise and honor to Creation, indeed; the Peace Meditation shall be particularly neutral-positively charged this evening.
Looking forward to the insights of the forum and to the eventual definitive draft. My traditional Christmas and New Year Postcards and E-cards stand ready. I shall keep the text i submitted to you, that is:
"Dear..
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
I hope...
Gentleman/Lady/Comrade,
Everything needs management, including ourselves and our number. Nothing is endless and requires rational use, including earth's resources. The shortages of clean water, food, minerals and other basic life' s items, pollution and the destruction of the environment are nowadays more obvious that never before. We, Humans, put too much stress on Earth. Our number is way too great.
Be aware of overpopulation and of the threat of overpopulation to our own well-being and the harmony of this planet. And ultimately to our survival as a species.
Take action, make a difference, help us!
Add your voice to our overpopulation awareness campaign and support our world wide birth control initiative.
Please, go to:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition
and sign our petition.
This petition will be sent to the world population awareness organization, other majors international organizations and to all responsible people of our world, who make decisions directly influencing our daily life. Let's shape a responsible future now. We owe that to our children and the children of our children. We owe it to Mother-Earth.
Thank you."
Kamerad James, other Kameraden,
Your corrections(also regarding the language) and suggestions would be highly appreciated.
Salome,
Phenix.
Jamesm 01:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC) I've made a major modification. I have inserted the main portion of http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/ACrusadeAgainstOverpopulation/tabid/102/Default.aspx above the Population Growth Charts, corrected the spelling so that it conforms to UK English and removed the previous section on Required Worldwide Measures (which was actually copied from http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/BirthRateCheck/tabid/104/Default.aspx ).
Jamesm 03:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC) I'm more satisfied with the petition now but I still need to read the entire thing! The length of it will put some people off but I think it is needed in order to present a full picture of the overpopulation problem.
Phenix 08:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings, James, I hope you are doing just fine; thanks for your work.
The insertion - straight away, at the beginning of the petition - of the consequences of overpopulation, which people might feel and even experience in their daily life, and the strong underlining of the direct connection of the two, is a bright idea.
While working further on the 'backgroungs information' leading ultimately to the definitive version of the petition, i would suggest to leave the first draft of the petition open to discussion until December 24th, morning; and from there, to use that draft - with eventual corrections, additions, suggestions of the forum - as a provisory, 'work draft'.
This would be in order to make optimal use of the opportunities of Christmas and New Year to start the awareness campaign, through the traditional 'good wishes postcards, E-cards and letters'.
Looking forward to your assessment.
Salome.
Jamesm 12:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC) Yes good idea Phenix, let's leave it as it is now until the 24th to give people a chance to read it.
Phenix 13:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks again, James.
Well, "alea iacta est!", i would say.
Salome, Phenix.
Hawaiian 07:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC) Very disturbing numbers, seems like World Wars 1 and 2 had little effect in slowing down these numbers. Would be interesting to see which countries have the most impact on world population as it appears more developed nations tend to level off while poorer ones explode. If true, then maybe mandatory sterilizations should be geared toward those countries along with sterilizations of rapists, killers, pediphiles, drug addicts and other non-disciplined types of the more developed nations. Just wonder if some ET's can help us out by some technology to "zap" ones gonads, starting with the undesirables??? :)
The majority of Earth humans are just plain ignorant and currently not capable of adhering to these measures however logical it appears. They will continue to multiply like rabbits, so with a little "help" from our friends would certainly appear rational.
Phenix 08:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC) Good morning Hawaiian,
Thanks for your insight.
The global situation is indeed rather alarming, specially if one agrees that all is strongly connected:
Shortage of almost all first resources (drinking water, food, oil… other vital items) and the therefrom resulting poverty; inequality; hunger; spiritual stagnation; despair... and subsequently crime; massive immigration; economic migration and ecological refugees; 'hatred towards foreigners'; terrorism; wars... not to mention the destruction of the environment.
Earth needs to recover; the natural resources need also time to renew themselves. We are not allowing both. Alas.
Overpopulation is hence likely to become one of the most important and - perhaps - the most decisive questions and challenges in the coming times for the whole humanity, politicians and other decision makers in the first place.
So i thought that it would be wise and wishful to see this issue humanly and responsibly managed by 'progressive forces', in place of some 'right-wing' and similar parties and groups.
As for a possible solution, to answer to the second part of your contribution, the startingpoint and philosophy here are to equally address all countries and nations, that is that a worldwide rational birth control should be decided and equally implemented and enforced.
Help from our extraterrestrial friends. Considering the gravity, the urgency and indeed the complexity of the situation - as you rightly pointed it out - such a step would certainly be welcome.
I however do not think that they should "help us out by some technology to "zap" ones gonads, starting with the undesirables??? :-)" [:-)]
A spiritual and maybe logistical support shall be enough; we ourselves shall do the rest, responsibly and humanly.
There is actually a petition open, where the assistance of the Plejarens is asked, on the grounds of the earthly rules and laws of humanitarian intervention: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/9474.html?1229127606 ; my post 165(member Phenix).
Your support would be highly appreciated.
Salome,
Phenix.
Phenix 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Good morning, James, Hawaiian and all Kameraden,
We shall then proceed as we agreed.
A list of web addresses of organizations, ministries, organizations and other personalities - who could help our cause - is following.
I would suggest:
A/ to send Christmas and New Year postcards, as information about this petition, to organizations and ministries;
B/ to send Christmas and New Year postcards, with a call to join our awareness campaign by signing our petition, to individuals;
C/ to send each 100th or 200th signed petition to the abovementioned organizations - or any other number of signed petitions.
THE LIST:
- UN and UN General Secretary, currently Mister Ban Ki-Moon: http://www.un.org/; http://www.un.org/sg/;
- World Population Organizations: http://www.wpf.org/nederlands ; http://worldpopulationbalance.org/; http://www.populationinstitute.org/
- World Population Awareness: http://www.overpopulation.org/; http://www.wpf.org/organisation)
- Ministries of Family and Population of all African Countries: http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTAFRREGTOPGENDER/Resources/gov_contacts_3.pdf
- Ministry of Family and welfare Bangladesh: http://www.google.com/search?q=Ministry+of+population%2C+health+and+family+bangladesh&rls=com.microsoft:nl:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA
- Honduras: Ministry of Family and Population: http://www.paho.org/English/DD/AIS/cp_340.htm ; Department of Population Planning: http://www.popcouncil.org/slr/techassist.html
- Websites of Population Council worldwide: http://www.popcouncil.org/slr/techassist.html
- Online(Dutch) Address Encyclopedia of World' Population related Instances/Organizations: http://www.socialsecurity.fgov.be/nl/links/staten.htm
- UNITED NATIONS POPULATION INFORMATION NETWORK(POPIN) - DEMOGRAPHIC, POPULATION AND FAMILY PLANNING WORLD WIDE WEB SITES: http://www.un.org/popin/other4.htm
- Website of the Activist on Human Affairs, Leader of the Band U2, Mister Bono - with his Direct Contact Address: http://u2_inspire.tripod.com/
- Mister Nelson Mandela Foundation: http://www.nelsonmandela.org/index.php
- Most Reverend Desmond Tutu: http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=1971
- The Earth Charter Initiative - already endorsed by FIGU: courtesy of member Phi_spiral(Bob): http://www.earthcharter.org/
- Population Action International (PAI): http://www.populationaction.org/
- Population Coalition: http://www.populationpress.org/
- Population Connection: http://www.zpg.org/
- The Population Institute: http://www.populationinstitute.org/
- Growth Is Madness: http://growthmadness.org/2006/12/24/the-not-so-elusive-population-environment-link/
- Optimum Population Trust: http://www.optimumpopulation.org/
- ..etc...
Kameraden,
I would suggest also to begin sending the first draft of the petition - the first, pretty short one - and to keep working ont the current petition(with background information), to which we would redirect interested people for eventual 'further readings'.
Here is also a site, where one has the possibility to send Christmas and New Year postcards in more than 8 languages.
We just need to add a short call to join our campaign:
http://www.byki.com/free-ecards/global/?fc_c=695427x2571136x221046800&campaign=122208eCards
Looking forward to your idea, suggestions and ...actions!
Salome,
Phenix.
Phenix 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings to you, James, to Hawaiian and to all the others,
We shall then begin.
If you don't mind, i will address the 7 first organizations and instances from our list, plus mister Mandela and reverend Desmond Tutu.
Succcess and Salome,
Phenix.
Phenix 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) INFORMATION:
Two of the models we use:
A/ To organizations in general:
"Sirs,
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
May the upcoming days of celebration bring you love, health, inspiration, hope, success and joy!
I wish the year 2009 will see the realization of all your dearest dreams. May peace and harmonious progress be on Earth!
Thanks, Sirs, for your work, care and commitment for Mankind.
Sirs,
Your help is needed.
As we all know, everything needs management, care and sound policy; including ourselves and our number. Nothing is endless and everything requires rational use; including earth resources. The shortages of clean water, food, minerals and other basic life' s items; pollution and the destruction of the environment are nowadays more obvious that never before. We, Humans, put too much stress on Earth and are greatly responsible for the current state of affairs, for all is indeed strongly connected:
Shortage of almost all first resources (drinking water, food, oil… other vital items) and the therefrom resulting poverty; inequality; hunger; spiritual stagnation; despair... and subsequently crime; massive immigration; economic migration and ecological refugees; 'hatred towards foreigners'; terrorism; wars... not to mention the destruction of the environment.
Earth needs to recover; natural resources need also time to renew themselves. We are not allowing both. Alas. Overpopulation is hence likely to become one of the most important and - perhaps - the most decisive questions and challenges in the coming times for the whole humanity, politicians and other decision makers in the first place.
Sirs, please, be aware of overpopulation and of the threat of overpopulation to our own well-being and the harmony of this planet. And ultimately to our survival as a species.
Take action, make a difference, help us! Add your voice to our overpopulation awareness campaign and support our world wide birth control initiative.
Please, go to:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition
and sign our petition - it shall be launched shortly.
This petition will be sent to the World Population Awareness Organization, The Earth Charter Initiative( http://www.earthcharter.org/) , other major international organizations dealing with development and population and to all responsible citizens of our world, including yourselves and your noble organization, who make decisions directly influencing our daily life.
Let's shape a responsible future now.
We owe that to our children and to the children of our children.
We owe it to Mother-Earth.
Thank you."
B/ To individuals and organizations i maintain personal/study/professional contacts with:
"Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
May the upcoming days of celebration bring you love, health, inspiration, hope, success and joy!
I wish the year 2009 will see the realization of all your dearest dreams.
Friends, Comrades,
I do have a concern.
We all know that all is connected. Everything needs management; ourselves and our number are not and can not be an exception. Nothing is endless and all requires rational use, care and maintenance, including earth's resources. The shortages of clean water, food, minerals and other basic life's items, pollution and the destruction of the environment are nowadays more obvious that never before. We, Humans, and the ways we go about life, put too much stress on Earth.
Earth needs to recover; natural resources need also time to renew themselves. We do not allow both.
Allow me please to share some personal experience and thoughts.
I do believe that the number of Human Beings currently on Earth indicates a state of overpopulation, specially in the specific context of the current mode of production - or should i rather say, 'exploitation' of this Planet and its resources - that is, this wild, aggressive Capitalism driven by greed alone. Were the goods, other life sustaining commodities, the product we ourselves produce or gain directly from Earth, responsibly and honestly managed; if our aims in this existence were spiritually more elevated(instead of the sole accumulation of money and other material items), there would certainly be no question of overpopulation the way it is now; for Mother-Earth is able to and is willing to take care of her Children - and does still do so. But in the current structure, our number puts lots of stress of Earth and its resources, for everyone wants still more and more and, as we all know, there are no limits to the 'accumulation fever' and greed has by definition no boundaries. Besides, Humans are not the only inhabitants of this Planet. There are other Life Forms having the same rights to be and to develop; Life Forms which are as necessary and dear to Earth as we, Humans, are: Flora, Fauna.
We are building factories and other human production facilities on lands, which should normally be reserved to agriculture, to the flora and fauna; we are destroying forests, polluting water and air... Flora and Fauna are being incessantly persecuted by us. I read recently in a scientific paper(i do alas not recall the name) and i saw more recently on 'Discovery Channel-Science', that honey bees are disappearing in horrifying huge numbers and sorts(and we all know the great role they play for the balance of our eco-system); the ice is dramatically melting(due in part to human irresponsible activities, like the tests of atomic and nuclear bombs underground and in the atmosphere!!!)... A couple of months ago, two ice-bears swam the whole way to the west coast(fjords) of Iceland, hungry and in despair, for there is no more ice they could live on. People used guns to kill!
We bear a lot of guilt here. Let's try to repair some of it; let's make amend for some of it. Before it is indeed too late.
Please be aware of overpopulation and of the threat of overpopulation to our own well-being and to the harmony of this planet. And ultimately to our survival as a species.
Take action, make a difference, help us - help Mankind! Please do take the lead; advocate and promote a worldwide rational birth control.
Add your voice to our overpopulation awareness campaign and support our Worldwide Birth Control Initiative.
Please go to:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition
And sign our petition - it shall be launched shortly.
This petition will be forwarded to the World population Awareness organization, the Earth Charter Initiative, ( http://www.earthcharter.org/), other major international organizations dealing with development and population and to all responsible citizens of this world, who make decisions directly affecting our daily life.
Let' s shape a responsible future now. We owe that to our children and to the children of our children. We owe that to Mother-Earth.
Thank you."
Here we go, Gentlemen:
Thank you for your inquiry.
From: inquiries (inquiries@un.org)
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:57:59 PM
Greetings from the Public Inquiries Team.
Thank you for your message which has been received at United Nations Headquarters in New York. We invite you to visit our website where you will find information about the work of the Organization. The following address will take you to a webpage with answers to frequently asked questions, factsheets and other public information material:
http://www.un.org/geninfo/faq/
So far, so gut, thus.
Salome, Phenix.
Phenix 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings!
Here is my report of the day:
I addressed the following organizations and instances:
1- wpf.org/nl; 2- World population Balance; 3- population Institute; 4- Population Action International; 5- People and planet.net; 6- population Council; 7- Frontiers in Reproductivity and health; 8-Canadian International Agency; 9- Ministry of Labor and Home Affairs of Botswana; 10- Ministry of Population, Social Protection and Entrainment of Madagascar; 11- Ministry of Gender and Community Services of Malawi; 12- Ministry of Women's Rights, Child, Development and Family Welfare of Mauritius; 13- Ministry of Gender and Family Promotion of Rwanda; 14- Ministry of Women Affairs and Child Welfare of Namibia; 15- Ministry of Women and Family Affairs(Office of President) of South Africa; 15- Ministry of Social Welfare, Gender and Children Affairs of Sierra Leone; 16- Ministry of Community Development, Gender and Children of Tanzania; 17- Ministry of Gender, Labor and Social Development of Uganda; 18- Ministry of Community Development and Social Welfare of Zambia.
I shall address Mister Mandela and reverend Desmond Tutu before going to bed.
Tomorrow i will take on all French speaking countries of the World - starting with African countries.
SUGGESTION:
James, i will translate the definitive petition into French, Dutch, German(if needed) and Russian. I have a Kamerad, who could provide us with translations in Rumanian, Italian, Spanish and Portguese. I shall find someone for the translation in Swahili and Japanese - and will ask our Comrade Zhila-Creational for the translation in Farsi.
Maybe you could then open links for a choice of languages.
REQUEST:
Could someone help us with the Chinese, Indian and Arabic translations?
It would be properly appreciated.
Salome.
Phenix 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings to all,
INFORMATION:
The petition has been savely delivered to mister Nelson Mandela(nmf@nelsonmandela.org) and to reverend Desmond Tutu(tammy.buhler@hiv-research.org.za and info@tutu.org).
We shall proceed today as planned.
REQUEST TO JAMES:
Could you please post our very first petition draft( the short one) back and allow people to already eventually begin signing that petition by removing the warning 'Onder Construction: do not sign yet' on the page of the to-be-signed-petition: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition ? - in the meanwhile we will continue working on the definitive petition( here:http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Petition_For_Controlled_Birth_Stop) and when we are through and satisfied, we would just post that definitive draft there, where it would be further submitted to signing.
Thanks and have a nice day.
Salome,
Phenix.
Jamesm 00:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Phenix, I do not think that the original one is explanatory enough of the facts regarding overpopulation. Do you agree with that?
Phenix 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Guten Morgen Kameraden,
Merry Jmmanuel' Birthday, indeed!
I hope you have all celebrated this event in a good state of mind, spirit and body.
James,
Thanks for your warm wishes; i am deeply touched. I shall shortly send you a word at your email address.
Now then.
THE PETITION.
To answer to your question, James, i say and willingly agree with you that the first draft was not perfect and needs some serious work - what you are now responsibly and generously doing.
What i meant, is to have right now a 'work draft' ready to be signed; for although it is very important to properly establish the direct connection between overpopulation and the current state of our societies and of the environment, i would assume that every person who, after receiving our 'Christmas and New Year Call', comes to this site is already fairly convinced of the necessity to take global, rational action against worldwide overpopulation.
We shall give to those people the possibility to sign the petition straight away - for the chance is also big some of them, despite their good will, would not come back a second time, when our petition is ready; people are nowadays so busy!
We could inform them ( via a link or a warning note ) that the petition is currently being perfected - we could add a couple of lines provisory completing that petition ( a sort of 'foretaste' of what is coming up ).
I also think that a fairly short petition would be better, for people are in general alas not very patient and long texts discourage them rather quickly - a link could redirect people to 'Further Readings'.
It would also be good, if the link to the place where the petition can factually be signed is very clearly indicated on the website.
INFORMATION.
Here is a model of 'Christmas and New Year Call' in French - in case some members have to deal with organizations and/or individuals using exclusively the French language:
"Mesdames et Messieurs,
Joyeux Noël; Bonne et heureuse Année!
Puissent ces jours de célébration vous apporter Amour, Santé, Inspiration, Espoir, Succès et beaucoup de Joie!
Je souhaite que l'année 2009 assure la réalisation des plus chers de vos rêves.
Que la Paix et un Progrès harmonieux soient sur terre!
Merci pour votre travail et votre engagement pour le bien-être des peuples du monde.
Vous avez inspiré et vous continuez à inspirer un bon nombre de nous!
Mesdames et Messieurs,
Nous avons besoin de votre aide.
Comme nous le savons, tout a besoin de soin et d'une bonne gestion; y compris nous-mêmes et notre nombre.
Rien n'est sans fin et tout exige une utilisation sage et raisonnable; y compris les ressources naturelles.
Les pénuries d'eau propre, de nourriture, de minerais, de matières premières et autres produits de premier ordre; la pollution et la destruction de l'environnement...tout cela est de nos jours plus évident que jamais avant.
Nous, les humains, abusons de la générosité de la terre et nous sommes considérablement responsables de l' actuel déplorable état de nos sociétés et de la planète toute entière, car enfin tout est fortement relié: Pénurie de presque toutes les premières ressources (eau potable, nourriture, pétrole… d'autres articles essentiels) et pauvreté; de là en résultent inégalité, famine, stagnation spirituelle, désespoir… et plus tard crime, immigration massive, migration économique et réfugiés écologiques, conflits sociaux et ségrégation, racisme, terrorisme, guerres… sans compter la destruction totale de l'environnement.
La terre doit récupérer; les ressources naturelles ont également besoin de temps pour se renouveler.
Nous ne permettons plus ni l'un ni l'autre. Hélas.
Le surpeuplement peut par conséquent devenir l'une des questions cruciales, l' un des plus importants et - peut-être même - des plus décisifs défis pour l'humanité entière, les politiciens en premier lieu.
Nous vous prions de nous aider à favoriser plus de prise de conscience du surpeuplement et de la menace du surpeuplement pour notre bien-être propre, pour l' harmonie de cette planète, et donc en dernière instance pour notre survie en tant qu' espèces.
Pourriez-vous, s'il vous plait, ajouter votre voix respectée à notre campagne de sensibilisation sur le surpeuplement et soutenir notre initiative mondiale de contrôle des naissances?
La pétition est à:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition
Cette pétition sera envoyée aux Nations Unies, à l' Organisation pour la Conscience de la Population du Monde, à l' Initiative de la Charte de la Terre, à d' autres organismes internationaux importants traitant du développement et de la population et à tous les citoyens responsables, qui prennent des décisions influençant directement notre vie quotidienne.
Mesdames et Messieurs, veuillez, s'il vous plait préconiser, supporter et favoriser un contrôle rationnel des naissances à l'échelle mondiale.
Aidez-nous à bâtir un futur responsable maintenant. Nous devons cela à nos enfants et aux enfants de nos enfants.
Nous le devons à la Mère-Terre.
Merci."
Ladies, Gentlemen,
Good luck!
Salome,
Phenix.
Phenix 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings to all!
I dedicated the first part of the day to national matters.
I have so far sent the 'Christmas and New Year Call' to the following instances and individuals:
- Newspapers: NRC Handelsblad(sort of 'Dutch Wall Street Journal'), Volkskrant; Tribune, Groene Amsterdammer, Groenlinks Magazine( of the Dutch Green Party), Vrij Nederland, Metro, Ode, Integrand, Metro( free newspaper, most read in The Netherlands);
- TV: NOS(the official, first Dutch TV station); the TV programs 'Zembla', 'netwerk'(dealing with social issues);
- Instances: the Dutch Ministry of People's Health; the Dutch Parlement and Politics Watchdog
- Individuals: Mister Ruud Lubbers(former Dutch Prime-Minister and UN Official, known for his engagement for global issues); mister Jan Pronk( former representative of the UN in Sudan and very active advocate of human rights, cooperation and harmonious development worldwide); Mister Freek de Jonge( entertainer, a symbol of social engagement in The netherlands) and Mister Herman van Veen( musician, human rights activist; some say he knows, has personally met and has been since inspired by Herr Meier.)
Have a nice day.
Salome,
Phenix.
PS: James, i take your warning about the length of the post into close consideration - i have aready removed a part of the response i received from the UN and my Dutch text. Thanks.
Jamesm 21:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Phenix the assumption that the majority of people will already arrive here with the knowledge that action against overpopulation is needed on Earth is a rather large one and therefore unjustified. There are no indications to support that assumption with the exceptions of course for all people already aware of the issue via the FIGU messageboard.
Secondly, it would of course be highly desirable to finalise the petition for the intended signatories first (everyone) before having it signed. Asking people to sign a draft of anything is rather like signing a cheque and then having the numbers changed afterwards, i.e. deceptive. There is an urgency to the preparation of the petition but we need to do it professionally if we want the desired response. We could of course pledge that the main topics of the proposal, i.e. to reduce the population of the Earth in a controlled and humane manner to 529,000,000, will not change from the draft to the final version however it will still look unprofessional, don't you agree?
Thirdly your suggestion about the petition being too long and it would discourage people from signing it is a valid point. I agree that we need to move most of the text to a separate page and then direct people to that new page via a hyperlink. I shall make this change.
Fourthyl, here is the only other petition of the same subject that I have managed to find on the Internet : http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/reduce-world-population.html . As you can see it's very short, it also 3 signatures.
Phenix 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Hi James,
Thanks for your reaction despite the obviously busy character of those Christmas days.
Thanks also for the link to that other overpopulation campaign petition; i have gladly added my signature to it - it feels good to know we are not alone on this issue.
I agree with you that not all people who get here are aware of overpopulation. I only meant people who would decide to log on this site after receiving and reading our 'Christmas and New Year Call', where the mean aspects of this campaign are briefly explained. Such people should have the chance to sign the petition when they get here. That is one point.
The other point. Certainly not all people are aware of the extent of the perspective of Herr Meier. That is just the point. It would be ideal if the whole program could be executed, but we are not there yet.
Prior to launching this petition, i made that point in one of my posts on our FIGU forum, namely that we shall proceed step by step: the first task, that is this very petition, is to bring awareness about overpopulation and to advocate a worldwide birth control. As to how to get there, how to rationally manage Earth population, we would submit the exhaustive program of Herr Meier; that is what i called our 'Jocker', our ultimate argument. Hopefully the world would choose the way indicated by Herr Meier.
Deception is not and should never be on the order. We need to clearly define the aim of this petition and clearly formulate it: overpopulation if real(our numbers); it has several human and environmental effects(our knowledge of human spiritual regression, wars..; our data about climatic catastrophes...); we must regulate births and the growth of Earth population to restaure balance of earth(our data); the solution is - for a beginning, right now - a world wide fair, scientific and applicable birth control. Please support us.
Our solution - as a further, desirable step - could be already found in 'further readings', where we would redirect everyone.
If you do not agree with this procedure, do let me know, so that i stop inviting people till we are ready.
Looking forward to hearing your suggestions.
Salome,
Phenix.
Jamesm 23:21, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Phenix thanks for your explanation. It does all make sense and is with reason. I would prefer it if you stop inviting people until we are ready with a finalised petition. I don't think it will take long to finalise anyway. Probably another week maximum.
By the way when you respond, please do not copy and paste in the tilde symbol ~ 4 times because it does not get translated into your username and date time as expected. You need to find the tilde key on your keyboard and use that.
Jamesm 23:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Phenix I've just realised you've already sent emails to many organisations so I've removed the "Dont sign this petition sign". What do you think of the new cut down version everyone?
Phenix 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Good morning James, kameraden,
Thanks, James; that is some balsam on my heart! - i had some hard time with that 'do not sign yet' sign :-)
Sorry for the technical problem, as i submit posts: i do not copy and paste; i mistakingly have been making space after each '@#126;'.
The current version of the petition is good enough for me, as a temporary one; we shall keep on working on it.
I personally feel some strong urgency with this issue, James. Now that that sign has been removed, i shall continue - in a renieuwed state of Neutral-positivity:-) - to invite people and organizations i do not have work, study or personal relations with: this Christmas and New Year period gives me indeed the opportunity to address those people and organizations in a natural way, according to an established tradition, that is without 'Missionieren'(the warning and advice of Herr Frehner); without preaching and 'inviting myself' in the life of those personally unknown people and organizations.
Besides the whole information is already available in the current draft; it just needs some redaction, some artistic and technical adjustment and organization - that is, a formulation meeting the requirement of completion and professional formulation you rightly underlined; and that is precisely what you are currently doing and doing good. We shall improve ourselves and the petition as we go.
Hoping you follow my line of reasoning,
Salome.
Phenix.
PS: REPORT:
In the meanwhile, the 'Christmas and New Year Call' has reached: the Ministries of Sociale Action, Women Emancipation and Children Protection of Angola, Burundi, Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Mali, Guinea, Mauritania; mister Johan Cruijff, Ruud Gullit, Thierry Henry; the branch of International Solidarity of the Dutch Socialist Party; the Dutch Office of Social Security; the Departments of Human Sciences of the Universities of Leiden, my own University(Erasmus of Rotterdam), the Free University of Amsterdam; CNN and BBC.
Today i shall address the ministries and other instances in charge of development and population of France, Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Quebec and the rest of the French Speaking African Countries.
Jamesm 14:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Phenix your name still does not appear at the beginning of your posts on this page. Do you see your name or do you see the HTML code for the tilde symbol 4 times?
Phenix 15:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC) My apologies, James,
I understood only now what the problem was - i am absolutely green in electronc stuff! I thought i have been following the given indications. I went back and corrected all my entries.
Well, i hope this time it would properly work out.
INFORMATION:
The 'Call' has been successfully delivered at the Ministries of Population, Women and Children Emancipation(Promotion) of Niger; France; Belgium(both French and Flamand/vlaanderen); Canada and Quebec. The Population Index - on the Web; Princeton Education and the European Council.
Our 'Call' is also being currently discussed at: http://www.hemmelel.fr/blog/2007/04/06/pour-un-ministere-de-la-population/#comment-877 - a French site treating of social issues.
I shall shortly take upon the Republics of the Former Soviet Union.
Salome.
phenix.
Jamesm 16:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks, your name and time stamp is now working I see.
Thank you very much for contacting all these organisations. Your effort is undying however I still question the wisdom of sending out a request for support when both the petition and the request itself has not been approved or improved to a satisfactory state by anyone other than you and I. I was also hoping that we were going to involve the people on the FIGU messageboard before sending out requests to sign the petition? Do we also want to avoid giving recipients of the request/email the wrong or incomplete impression of the petition? Not to mention the effort involved in having to contact them a second time if required. Surely there is wisdom in this.
I've added the following paragraph to the Background section as I thought it was needed in order to explain the effect overpopulation has on migration, war, bloodshed and murder which is as important as other effects:
Overpopulation brings with it ethnic problems as well. Indeed, it actually induces them. It precipitates migration, war, bloodshed and murder. As a result of the world population's continuing growth, people are squeezed together ever closer, and the space for each person becomes ever smaller and more restricted. For this reason can situations not be avoided whereby inhabitants of various countries, tribes, religions, convictions, opinions, philosophies and outlooks increasingly crowd together only to infringe upon each other's personal space. Without fail, this type of close contact leads to friction, differences of opinion and arguments. These issues, in turn, automatically generate war, bloodshed, murder and migration. The migration issue alone leads to even more excessive, vicious, worldwide problems. For example, refugees do not simply leave their familiar homesteads merely to seek new ones within their own country. Instead, they flee to foreign lands and often to countries that are financially and economically more prosperous than their own homelands. So it transpires that thousands, tens of thousands, indeed hundreds of thousands, even millions of refugees abruptly flee their homelands and swarm into foreign, more prosperous nations. In turn, these nations become swamped with foreigners, causing almost insurmountable problems. Countries that accept these refugees are forced to expend billions of dollars that are paid for by the "host nation's" industrious inhabitants through hard-earned funds from horrendous taxes.
Shall we set a target of 1 million signatures? If and when we get to 1 million should we present it to the UN, major charities and media channels e.g. TV channels, newspapers, magazines?
Phenix 18:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Hello again, James,
As you can see, i can access the site again.
I saw and appreciated your latest addition. It is useful, for it treats of matters people experience in their daily life.
The way we proceed, our comrades and the Message Board.
I assume that everyone is well informed of this initiative and of what we have been doing. Individual commitment and choice are the rules. Each member who wishes and is willing to contribute, correct, criticize and/or add personal perspective, knows where to find us. I believe many are closely watching the progress here; they would join in when that time comes - i know for sure that members like, for instance J_rod, Pathfinder-Hunter, kingman, Zhila-Creational( who would eventually help translate the final draft in Farsi, upon my request), are personally committed to this effort.
Idem for the Message Board. They would certainly intervene, whenever we make serious mistakes.
Approvation.
I personally addressed Herr Frehner with this idea; he gave warning and advice. That is enough for me.
You are truly a perfectionist! The current petition is just excellent, Mann! The information is complete and could eventually be deepened just by clicking on the links you have provided.
Addressing people and organizations now.
I am convinced it should be done now; it is Christmas and New Year times. And i thought that you have understood and agreed with my proposal to leave the draft open to the appreciation of our comrades till December 24th, morning, and from there on to start the campaign with what we have in term of draft, while working further on a final version. And yes, i just can not imagine how i would go back to all those unknown people and organizations a second time, with that final version of the petition.
It is all good, the way it is.
One million signatures would be excellent.
INFORMATION.
UNESCO, UNICEF, the French Institute of Demographic Studies and the Republic of Ivoiry Coast have received our 'call'.
Salome.
Phenix 11:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings, James, Kameraden,
INFORMATION
We have reached the Federal Ministry of Health and Family Welfare of India( resp-health@hub.nic.in ); then we followed this useful list:
Andaman & Nicobar Islands
Secretary health - Mr Rajendra Kumar IAS rajendra@and.nic.in Director, Health dhs@and.nic.in Director, Family Welfare dhs@and.nic.in State Immunization Officer simmno@and.nic.in
Himachal Pradesh
Principal Secretary , Health & FW healthsecy-hp@nic.in Director Health & FW health-hp@nic.in
Himachal Pradesh State Immunization Officer rch-hp@nic.in
Pondicherry
Secretary (Heath & FW) secyhlt@pon.nic.in Director, Health dms@pon.nic.in Director, Family Welfare dms@pon.nic.in State Immunisation Officer stateimm@pon.nic.in
Punjab
Principal Secretary/Secretary (Health&FW)pshfw@punjabmail.gov.in Director, Health dhs@punjabmail.gov.in Director, Family Welfare and dfw@punjabmail.gov.in
Andhra Pradesh
Director Health dir_health@ap.gov.in Commissioner/ Director Family welfare cfwhyd@ap.gov.in
Tripura
Mr. S K Roy: Commisioner/Secretary Health skroy@trp.nic.in Director Health dirhealth@trp.nic.in Director, Family Welfare dirfamily@trp.nic.in State Immunization Officer immunization@trp.nic.in
Delhi
Pr. Secy Health pshealth@nic.in Director Family Welfare dirdfw@nic.in Director Health Services dirdhs@nic.in
Madhya Pradesh
Principal Secretary/Secretary (Health & FW) upadhyay.mm@mp.nic.in Director, Health yrsharma@mp.nic.in Director, Family Welfare yrsharma@mp.nic.in State Immunization Officer bnchauhan@mp.nic.in
Karnataka
Pr. Secretary, H & FW psecy.hfw.karbng@kar.nic.in Director, H& FW dir.hfw.karbng@kar.nic.in State Immunisation Officer sio.hfw.karbng@kar.nic.in
Tamil Nadu
Secretary (Health & Family Welfare) hfsec@tn.gov.in Director of Medical and Rural Health Service dmrhs@tn.nic.in Director, Family Welfare dfw@vsnl.net Director of Public Health and Preventive Medicin dphpm@tn.nic.in
Haryana
Principal Secretary/Secretary (Health & FW) fchm@hry.nic.in Director general, Health dhs.dghs@hry.nic.in All Civil Surgeon of haryana dhs.cs@hry.nic.in
Maharashtra
State Immunization Officer,Maharashtra State Health Official simo-mah@nic.in Director, Family Welfare,Maharashtra State Health Official dirfw-mah@nic.in Director,Health,Maharashtra State Health Officials dirh-mah@nic.in Principal Secretary,Health and FW secyhfw-mah@nic.in
Chattisgarh
Secretary Health secy-hlth.cg@nic.in Director Health dir-hlth.cg@nic.in State Immunization Officer sio-hlth.cg@nic.in
Chandigarh
Chandigarh UT Secretary Health , Sh. Krishna Mohan hs@chd.nic.in
Gujarat
1.Principal Sec. Health- sechfwd@gujarat.gov.in 2. Commissioner, Heralth- cohealth@gujarat.gov.in 3. Sec. Family Welfare- secfw@gujarat.gov.in
Kerala
dmohidsp@kerala.nic.in DMO(Health), IDSP project. prsechfw@kerala.nic.in Principal Secretary, Health & Family Welfare. dfwtvm@kerala.nic.in Director, Family Welfare simoker@kerala.nic.in State Immunization Project, Kerala dhstvm@kerala.nic.in Director of Health Services
Orissa
orhealth@ori.nic.in Secretary, Health & Family Welfare dfw_or@ori.nic.in Director, Health & Family Welfare
Manipur
secy-health@man.nic.in Commissioner(Medical Health and Family Welfare) immunization@man.nic.in State Immunization Officer lpgonmei@man.nic.in Shri LP Gonmei, Comm(Health & Family Welfare)
Nagaland
Commissioner & Secretary ( Medical ) - Shri. Rajiv Bansal (IAS) nglmedsec@nic.in Director, Health dirhealth-ngl@mail.nagaland.nic.in
This afternoon we shall concentrate on Pakistan, the Scandinavian Countries and Luxembourg.
Salome,
Phenix.
Phenix 18:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC) INFORMATION
Our Call has reached all provinces of West Bengal; Pakistan; Bangladesh; the American Public Health Association; the Tehran University of Medical Sciences(public relations); The United Nations' Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific(UNESCAP); and through the Gender and Social Development Community of Practice and the Asian Development Bank we were able to cover Germany, Japan, Cambodia, then Bangladesh and Pakistan again, Indonesia, Mongolia, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Uzbekistan, Vietnam and North America.
We also opened a 'Blog' at "Sustainable Population", where our ideas are widely shared and our Call published: http://sustainablepopulation.blogspot.com/
The Scandinavian Countries and luxembourg will be addressed tomorrow.
Salome.
Phenix 17:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC) Greetings James, all Kameraden,
The day has been particularly good - Heed to Creation, indeed!
REPORT:
We have addressed: Madam Michelle Obama(following her Christmas and New Year online best wishes to all supporters of the Obama Agenda for Change);the New York Times;Swiss info; ScienceDirect; the UN Economic Commission for Europe(Generation and Gender Program and Population Activities Unit); the departments of Population and Family Welfare of the Scandinavian countries, of Algeria and Finland; the Federal Statistical Office( Espace de l’Europe 10, 2010 Neuchâtel, Switzerland); the German Foundation for World Population(DSW); the Swedish Demography Unit(Department of Sociology, Stockholm University, Sweden); the distinguished professor Anne West of the British Families and Children Research Group; the Russian online Social Forum(Russia: http://demoscope.ru/weekly/gb/gbshow.php); the Ministry of Women and Children Affairs of Senegal; the Norwegian Government Department of Population and Social Service(Government Administration Services, Einar Gerhardsens plass 3, Postbox 8129 Dep, 0032 OSLO, Norway).
Hence only Luxembourg is missing from our plan - that site was not accessible at POPIN.
Tomorrow we shall continue following the useful list nicely provided by POPIN: http://www.un.org/popin/other4.htm
Salome.
Phenix 16:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Happy New Year James, Family and all Kameraden!
REPORT:
On this very last day of 2008, we managed to deliver our Call to the Earth Policy Institute( epi@earth-policy.org); the Australian Bureau of Statistics(courtesy of POPIN); to 'Zeitgeist' ( admin@thezeitgeistmovement.com ); to Herr Prof. Dr. Hans Hass und Mannschaft (www.hans-hass.de/; webmaster@hans-hass.de ); to heer Gert Mak, prominent Dutch historian and Human Rights advocate (www.geertmak.nl/english/102.html); to the representatives of the Dutch branch of initiatives of Change, following the unformal(personal) endorsement of this Foundation (IofC:www.caux.ch/) and to mister Gore and 'The We movement' (www.wecansolveit.org/content/contact).
Salome.
Phenix 13:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Greetings James, all Kameraden,
I hope this first day of the year 2009 started neutral-positively for you.
We took advantage of this day to reach mister Bono Box, leader of the musical Band U2 and committed human rights activist( http://htmlgear.tripod.com/guest/control.guest?u=u2_inspire&i=2&a=view) and mister Bob Geldof (europe@bobgeldof.info ).
We have also informed and invited our Kameraden of the German Forum to our petition(http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/5/4870.html?1230048741 ), with the following text:
"Beste Empfehlung geehrter Moderator, Herren, Kameraden,
Ich hoffe, daß das Jahr 2009 ganz neutral-positiv bei Ihnen begonnen hat.
Auskunft: Unsere Petition auf Überbevölkerungsbewusstsein ist jetzt klar. Sie kann unterzeichnet werden hier:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition
Und hier könnte man die Einzelpersonen, Organisationen, Ministerien und Länder, zu denen, wir unsere Petition schickten (in Form von Weinnachts- und Jahreswendepostkarten), sehen:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Talk:Petition_For_Controlled_Birth_Stop
Alea iacta est!
Salome"
Thank you, James!
Jamesm 19:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Thats splendid. I've added a request for everyone to sign our petition on the front page. I've also posted a request on the FIGU forum for everyone to sign the petition.
Peace
James
Phenix 09:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Beste Empfehlung James, all Kameraden,
Excellent work, Maestro! From this point of view(FIGU inner information), we can safely say that we have done all we could - specially if we further manage to give some rigorous follow-up to the idea of Herr J_rod7, regarding a more active involvement of all FIGU groups.
I asked Kamerad Pathfinder-Hunter( a volunteer by this initiative and a Canadian national) to inform FIGU Study Group Canada(info@ca.figu.org)of our petition. I shall reach the French and Russian Groups - and report here, when done. Hopefully Pathfinder-Hunter would do the same.
Another point. The major article of Herr Frehner is now officially available in English: http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/PopulationGrowthWithoutLimit/tabid/148/Default.aspx
I approached this matter at the forum with these words: "This major article of Herr Frehner stands indeed at the core of the whole initiative. Some parts of the visions and ideas developed by Herr Frehner in that article, are already underlined in the current petition, but the whole article provides us with a solid and exhaustive theoretical basis. We shall then see with James, what are the best ways to further proceed - to refer to this article as 'further reading'? To select and add other parts of the article to our petition? To keep the article by the hand, in 'standby', as a source of arguments in future discussions, a kind of 'Jocker', the ultimate argument?...
Your suggestions are welcome."
What do you think, James?
Update.
Following our Christmas and New Year Call for support, we received yesterday a E-card from the Nelson Mandela Foundation, saying: "Thank you for your thoughts and wishes" - i am not a wonder in electronic things, but i shall try to have the whole E-card on 'Futureofmankind'.
And as already mentioned, we got a massive personal endorsement from 'Initiatives of Change'( IofC:http://www.caux.ch/ ) and the words there were, "Thanks for your thoughtful message. Best of luck in the good work you are doing."
That is all for now - and as expected, i could not get the postcard from The Nelson Mandela Foundation here:-(
Salome,
Phenix.
Vigusa I have a few questions ... What is going to happen to the other 7 billion people that already exist?... and from where on this earth you came up with such a number that only 500 million would do the trick?
So for what I see the "third world countries" are the ones responsible for the hunger and plagues of the world? ... really? ... You are all sounding like racists... What do you know about the reality of those people?... Have you ever starved to death?, has your country been intervene by the big powers and depleated your resources? ... What are you guys talking about?
Billy!... I can't believe you said all the things you are saying in that petition?... I thought you were a man of peace and truth :((( ... I just can't believe what I read OMG... Did you even take the time to read the prophesies of Jeremia?.... how can you blame this all in people that have been massacred, robbed, manipulated by your countries, whose resources have been depleated from them and your "developed" countries have bankrupted and prevented the technology to be implemented in those countries?
We should start with USA where the gratest rate of pedophiles, drug addicts, mass murderers etc, Germany, UK, Switzerland who willingly keeps the money of the usurers and finances the tyrans, Israel who are mass murderers, etc! .... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???
You know what is sadder??? you all sound like the Elites that want to enslave us... What is this another Nazi nation?... Another China with birdth control?... why don;'t you better create systems that really are equal for everybody and we all have the chance to succeed?... YES MONEY AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REAL EVIL ,,, NOT OVERPOPULATION
So who is going to control it all??? you Billy? or you James??? LOL omg
I just can't believe this omg... Billy, You had all my respect but I never imagined you were just another nazi manipulating the truth like this... OMG may God forgive you! I will tell everybody who you guys really are... Who told you to do this Billy??? the voice in your head??? omg
Jamesm 12:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Vigusa, welcome my friend. I see you have gotten the wrong end of the proverbial stick, if you know what I mean. I really want to help you understand but I feel you do not yet understand what is written and thus have misinterpreted the meaning of several paragraphs. I advise that you read the whole of Overpopulation Crusade and Overpopulation Bomb before you come back here and continue your emotionally charged outburst. Please read them. Your mind will hopefully then be put at ease when you realise that you are in error with what you have just stated.
Phenix 11:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC) Beste Empfehlung James, alle Kameraden,
Information: Today we reached the French, Italian, Japanese, Cesky and Canadian FIGU Study Groups/Forums - contact data of the Russian and Spanish Groups are yet to be found.
It was an invitation-call to come along and support our petition; so, James, please proceed with your effort to address all needed FIGU Groups/Forums for the purpose of translations.
Our message was as follows:
"Ladies and Gentlemen, members of FIGU Canada/France/Italia/Japan/Cesca,
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
May this period of renewal bring you love, health, inspiration, hope, success, joy and plenty of Neutral-positivity! May the Year 2009 see the realization of your dearest dreams.
May peace and harmonious progress be on Earth!
Thanks for your work and faithfullness to truth and facts. Thank you for your commitment to the spiritual awareness of Mankind.
Ladies and Gentlemen of FIGU Canada/France/Italia/Japan/Cesca,
We need your help.
As we all know, everything needs management, care and sound policy; including ourselves and our number. Nothing is endless and everything requires rational use; including earth resources. The shortages of clean water, food, minerals and other basic life' s items; pollution and the destruction of the environment are nowadays more obvious that never before. We, Humans, put too much stress on Earth and are greatly responsible for the current state of affairs, for all is indeed strongly connected:
Shortage of almost all first resources (drinking water, food, oil… other vital items) and the therefrom resulting poverty; inequality; hunger; spiritual stagnation; despair... and subsequently crime; massive immigration; economic migration and ecological refugees; 'hatred towards foreigners'; terrorism; wars... not to mention the destruction of the environment.
Earth needs to recover; natural resources need also time to renew themselves. We are not allowing both. Alas.
Overpopulation is hence likely to become one of the most important and - perhaps - the most decisive questions and challenges in the coming times for the whole humanity, scientists and politicians and other decision makers in the first place.
Ladies/Sirs, members of FIGU Canada/France/Italia/Japan/Cesca,
Please, support our effort to put this important and so difficult issue on the national and international agendas. Could you help us promote more awareness of overpopulation and of the threat of overpopulation to our own well-being and to the harmony of this planet and ultimately to our survival as a species?
Could you, please, also add your personal voice to our overpopulation awareness campaign and support our world wide birth control initiative?
It is at:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition
This petition will be sent to the UN, the World Population Awareness Organization, The Earth Charter Initiative, other major international organizations dealing with development and population and to all responsible citizens of our world, who make decisions directly influencing our daily life.
Please, do take the lead also here; advocate and promote a worldwide rational birth control.
Help us shape a responsible future now. We owe that to our children and to the children of our children.
We owe it to Mother-Earth.
Thank you.
Salome."
Phenix 18:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC) Greeting James, all Kameraden,
I received today the following update from Earth Policy Institute:
Plan B 3.0 Book Byte For Immediate Release.
January 21, 2009.
MOVING TO A STABLE WORLD POPULATION
http://www.earthpolicy.org/Books/Seg/PB3ch07_ss3.htm
It looks rather good.
Salome.
PS: just in case:
Earth Policy Institute Media Contact: Reah Janise Kauffman Tel: (202) 496-9290 x 12 E-mail: rjk (at) earthpolicy.org
Research Contact: Janet Larsen Tel: (202) 496-9290 x 14 E-mail: jlarsen (at) earthpolicy.org
Earth Policy Institute 1350 Connecticut Ave. NW, Suite 403 Washington, DC 20036
Web: www.earthpolicy.org
Jamesm 18:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC) Hiya, that books looks interesting indeed. I wonder how far its recommendations go.
Regarding translations of this petition into other languages, I know you offered to translate the petition into other languages but FIGU could do this if asked. They probably already have a translation available. Have you asked them at all or are there any translations of the petition in progress to your knowledge? If not then I am willing to write or fax each FIGU branch for a translation of the petition. Thanks again for the French version.
Many many thanks
James
Phenix 10:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC) Greetings, Gentleman,
All the pleasure is mine.
Translations: i am not aware of any effort of the sort by FIGU forums and/or study groups - except the personal initiative of FIGU Cesca.
I think, you should go ahead with your initiative and address FIGU; translations in all possible languages are needed - and besides, getting as many FIGU groups as possible involved here is en soi a very good thing: unity must begin at home!
I know that Zhila will translate it into Farsi and that member Corey has announced her intention to provide translations of the petition into Tagalog, Sibuanu, Somalian, Vietnamese, Chinese, Russian,Thai, L and D dialects of Sioux, Spanish and arabic( see Corey, post 122: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/9549.html?1231190803).
I asked them to send their works directly to you ( see same page, Phenix 198).
You can eventually remind Corey and Zhila of their word.
I shall take care of the Swahili, Portuguese and Rumanian translations.
Salome.
Phenix 17:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC) Greetings Maestro, allemaal,
I dropped by to inform you that we are also here: http://www.newscientist.com/commenting/browse?id=mg20126921.500
( See: Mankind: Population, Development, Responsibility, Sustainability)
Salome.
Phenix 09:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC) Beste Empfehlung James and all,
We were warmly welcomed(and are still welcome) on this podium:
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article5627634.ece?Submitted=true
(Courtesy of mister Michael Horn)
Salome.
Phenix 11:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings James, miteinander!
We contributed to the debate here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7865332.stm
(Population: The elephant in the room
Uncontrolled population growth threatens to undermine efforts to save the planet, warns John Feeney. In this week's Green Room, he calls on the environmental movement to stop running scared of this controversial topic.)
Thank you mister Horn, indeed.
Salome.
Phenix 10:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Update. NELSON MANDELA FOUNDATION
"RE: Best Wishes and Request
From: Thoko Mavuso (Thokom@nelsonmandela.org) Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:54:19 AM
Dear,
Thank you for your correspondence to the Nelson Mandela Foundation. Mr Mandela announced his exit from public life in June 2004 and no longer involves himself in matters of this nature. He now wishes to enjoy a well deserved retirement and it will therefore not be possible for him to support your appeal.
We regret that Mr Mandela will not be in a position to support your campaign and hope you will not be discouraged by our inability to assist.
Sincerely
MS THOKO MAVUSO
Nelson Mandela Foundation ( +27 (0) 11 728 1000| Fax: +27 (0) 11 728 1111 |107 Central Street | Houghton, 2041 Private Bag X 70 000, Houghton, 2041, SA
Website:www.nelsonmandela.org"
Our answer:
"RE: Best Wishes and Request - Acknowledgement
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:24:41 PM
To: thokom@nelsonmandela.org
Honorable Ms Mavuso,
I profoundly hope that mister Mandela is doing fine.
Thank you for your answer; the formal reaction of the Nelson Mandela Foundation means a lot to me.
We are slowly but resolutely carrying ahead our initiative towards a deeper and wider awareness of the worldwide overpopulation and of the need of an also worldwide birth control, the only ethical, rational, responsible, logical and humane solution, we strongly assume.
Our petition is currently being translated in many languages, including Swahili, a language greatly needed in order to reach as many Africans as possible - for, although these measures apply to and could be the salvation of the whole mankind, we are convinced that the application of birth control would give a massive relief and, eventually, some sound lead to African nations!
We shall keep you informed.
Thanks again for your attention and do please forward our sincere wishes of health and happiness to mister Mandela.
Regards.
PS: I thought, you may find the following related analyses and developments interesting:
- 'Obama reverses Bush abortion-funds policy', by LIZ SIDOTI and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writers – Fri Jan 23.
"WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday struck down the Bush administration's ban on giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide abortion information — an inflammatory policy that has bounced in and out of law for the past quarter-century. Obama's executive order, the latest in an aggressive first week reversing contentious Bush policies, was warmly welcomed by liberal groups and denounced by abortion rights foes." [...] (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_abortion_ban)
- Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi boldly defended a move to add birth control funding to the new economic "stimulus" package, claiming "contraception will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government." (http://www.drudgereport.com/flashpbc.htm)
- Baby decisions - adding to the world's woes? "How responsible is it to have children in a world whose environmental health is already under stress? That's the question Joanna Benn poses this week in the Green Room. On the other hand, she wonders, will a couple more hungry mouths make much difference?"[...] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7759845.stm)
- POPULATION: The elephant in the room Uncontrolled population growth threatens to undermine efforts to save the planet, warns John Feeney. In this week's Green Room, he calls on the environmental movement to stop running scared of this controversial topic. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7865332.stm )
- One last chance to save mankind
With his 90th birthday in July, a trip into space scheduled for later in the year and a new book out next month, 2009 promises to be an exciting time for James Lovelock. But the originator of the Gaia theory, which describes Earth as a self-regulating planet, has a stark view of the future of humanity. He tells Gaia Vince we have one last chance to save ourselves - and it has nothing to do with nuclear power. (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126921.500-one-last-chance-to-save-mankind.html?full=true&print=true)"
Salome.
Phenix 14:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings in peace and wisdom James, all.
We are at Project Avalon/Camelot - courtesy of J_rod7:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=109825&posted=1#post109825
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=109845#post109845
Salome.
Phenix 12:56, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
...and now we have our own thread at Project Avalon Forum:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10949
Salome.
Phenix 07:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings in peace James, all Humans.
Could we add the major article of Herr Frehner to 'further readings'?
http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/PopulationGrowthWithoutLimit/tabid/148/Default.aspx
Thanks for your work.
Salome.
PS: Today we also went global, reaching out in good faith to potential allies:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=111172#post111172
Phenix 12:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings James, all!
Maestro, i was thinking that we should find some way of adding the last development - as revealed by Herr Meier, through the translation of member JBarreto - to the Birth Control Petition.
THE END OF THE PETROLEUM AGE
http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/show.cgi?863/8880
Salome.
Phenix 07:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings in peace James and all,
Here is, just in case, a draft of the petition in Arabic - courtesy of Mr. William, a friend and comrade.
It needs some thorough check up, proefreading and 'mise en page'.
Any help would be highly appreciated.
Salome.
* معلومات أساسية 1
* 2 التدابير المطلوبة العالم
س 2.1 الحد الأدنى لسن الزواج
س 2.2 الحد الأدنى للسن للنسل
س 2.3 معايير التوليد
س 2.4 العدد الأقصى للأطفال
س 2.5 النسل فاصلة
2.6 س البقاء في القوة
س 2.7 العقوبات على انتهاكات
س 2.8 الوحشية وغير الإنسانية
* 3 الأرض النمو السكاني الرسم البياني
* 4 المصدر
* 5 قراءة أخرى
* 6 من توقيع العريضة
معلومات أساسية
إلى : الأرض والشعب ،
كوكب الأرض وسكانها يعانون من مختلف الأمراض الناجمة فريدة وحصرية من قبل الإنسان نفسه. هذه العلل الموجودة بالفعل ، ولكن سوف تستمر في الانتشار حتى النهاية تدهور كل شيء تماما.
سكان الأرض هو يعاني من المجاعات ونقص الطاقة ، والأوبئة والتلوث البيئي ، وانحطاط ، والإرهاب ، والدكتاتورية ، والفوضى ، والرق ، والزيادة المفرطة من النفايات ، على الكراهية العنصرية ، ونقص الأغذية ، وتدمير الغابات المطيرة ، "الاحتباس الحراري" ، والتلوث من البحيرات ، والجداول ، والمحيطات ، والكراهية تجاه طالبي اللجوء ؛ الانبعاثات المشعة والكيميائية وتلوث المياه والهواء ، والنباتات ، والغذاء ، والبشر والحيوانات. الجريمة ، والقتل ، والقتل الجماعي ، والقتل الخطأ ؛ وإدمان الكحول ، وكراهية الغرباء ، والقمع ، والكراهية للمرء fellowman التطرف والطائفية ، وإدمان المخدرات ، والاكتظاظ السكاني ، والقضاء على أنواع الحيوانات ، والحرب ، والعنف ، والتعذيب وعقوبة الإعدام ، وسوء الإدارة العامة ، وتلوث المياه ، والقضاء على النباتات ؛ الكراهية ، ونائب والغيرة ، وإنعدام الحب ، وانعدام المنطق ، كاذبة والانسانية ، والافتقار إلى السكن ، وزيادة حركة المرور ، وتدمير الأراضي الصالحة للزراعة ، والبطالة ، وانهيار والرعاية الصحية ، وانهيار الرعاية للمسنين ، وتدمير الطبيعة ، وانهيار التخلص من النفايات الصلبة ، وعدم وجود مكان للعيش ، وغيرها. على الرغم من الكثير من الجهود ، لمشاكل البشرية لا يتناقص ولكن بدلا من ذلك ، لا تزال في ارتفاع مطرد يتناسب مباشرة مع الزيادات السكانية.
البشرية البشعة الشرور تأتي من خلال وجود اكتظاظ مع يلين ، والتصعيد المستمر نحو غير مسؤول. الوضع يملي على أن أي إساءة لا يمكن إلا أن يكون قاتل وعلاج الامساك بها من جذورها ، وألحقت أضرارا بها وتدميره : أعداد البشر يجب أن تكون الأرضية انخفاضا كبيرا. الطريقة الوحيدة التي إنسانية للحد من هذا الهدف لا يمكن تحقيقه ، من خلال لوائح تنظيم النسل الصارمة التي تسمح المتزوجين ، من سن محددة سلفا ، وليس لها سوى عدد محدد بدقة للأطفال. هذه اللائحة يجب أن يسود أي ذريعة ، حجة ، والخوف و / أو تعليق من الغباء الذي numbskulls تلك المطالبة ، لأغراض عسكرية ودينية واجتماعية ، والأنانية ، والكذب ، لأسباب إنسانية ، أو خيرية زائفة ، أن عددا كبيرا من الأبناء من الضروري ، إن تحديد النسل أو يتعارض مع المعتقدات الدينية وغير إنساني ، وما هذه الادعاءات الفارغة فريدة مصنوعة من قبل جامدة المغرورون ، بالطائفيين أو غير صالحة للعيش الناس الذين ليست أضعف فكرة قوانين الطبيعة ، أو توجيهات صادقة المنطق.
مع عدد السكان حاليا نحو 6.5billion الأرضية نسمة (1998) ، والأرض هي أبعد من قدرتها على دعم وتغذية هذه الكتلة بشكل روتيني ، على أساسي وطبيعي وصحي. وهناك ، حيث لا حقوق الجهد واقتحام الطبيعة ، والطبيعة ، ولا اغتصاب واستغلال مواردها لانتاج مزيد من المواد الغذائية على ضرورة أن تحدث ، والتي لا يوجد فيها واحد على ضرورة يعانون من الجوع. والحقيقة هي أن الأرض هي الكوكب الرائعة ، لكنه لا يملك سوى القدرة على دعم والأعلاف في كل ما في وفرة 529 مليون نسمة. الجنس البشري ، من ناحية أخرى ، قد ولدت عملاقة ، والإفراط في عدد السكان ، واصبح لزاما على جميع تحفيز إنتاج الخضر والفواكه لغير نمطية ، البالغ الانجازات من خلال استخدام المواد الكيميائية والهجينة. كما لو أن هذا لم يكن كافيا ، واستغلال هذا الكوكب قد زاد إلى حد كبير ، بما في ذلك التوسع في استرداد المواد الخام من الأرض ، وبلا هوادة من الطلب المتزايد على الأرض بالنسبة لجميع أنواع المواد الأخرى نتيجة مباشرة لتزايد الاكتظاظ السكاني. لا أحد يذكر الشامل من الأراضي الصالحة للزراعة بسبب الاكتظاظ السكاني ودعا هذا الجنون ، ولا أحد يتحدث عن استخدام المواد الكيميائية السامة او للتوسع في المناطق السكنية وغيرها. الغذاء للاستهلاك البشري هو محملة الكيميائية المضافة إلى هذه الأيام ، وتتألف في معظمها من المواد الكيميائية المنتجة اصطناعيا والواقع أيضا أن لا يذكر.
الاكتظاظ السكاني يجلب معه المشاكل العرقية أيضا. وفي الواقع ، فإنه في الواقع يدفع لهم. فإنه يعجل الهجرة والحرب وسفك الدماء والقتل. نتيجة لعدد سكان العالم والنمو المستمر ، إلى جانب الضغط الذي تتعرض له الناس من أي وقت مضى ، والفضاء لكل شخص يصبح أصغر حجما وأكثر تقييدا. لهذا السبب لا يمكن تجنب حالات بموجبه لسكان مختلف البلدان ، والقبائل والأديان والقناعات والآراء والفلسفات والرؤى بشكل متزايد إلى جانب حشد فقط تعديا على كل منهما شخصية الفضاء. وبلا تردد ، هذا النوع من اتصال وثيق يؤدي إلى الاحتكاك ، والاختلافات في الرأي والحجج. هذه القضايا ، في المقابل ، تؤدي تلقائيا للحرب وسفك الدماء والقتل والهجرة. مسألة الهجرة وحده ، بل يؤدي إلى مزيد من الإفراط ، وحشية ، والمشاكل في جميع أنحاء العالم. على سبيل المثال ، واللاجئين ، لا لمجرد الخروج من المألوف لمجرد البحث عن منازل جديدة داخل بلدهم. وبدلا من ذلك ، الفرار الى أراض أجنبية ، وكثيرا ما للبلدان التي ماليا واقتصاديا وأكثر رخاء من أوطانها. حتى تبين أن آلاف ، عشرات الآلاف ، بل مئات الآلاف ، بل الملايين من اللاجئين فجأة الهرب من ديارهم وسرب الى وزراء الخارجية وأكثر ازدهارا. في المقابل ، أصبحت هذه الدول اغراق مع الأجانب ، مما تسبب في مشاكل لا يمكن التغلب عليها تقريبا. البلدان التي تقبل هؤلاء اللاجئين يضطرون إلى إنفاق مليارات الدولارات التي تدفع من قبل "البلد المضيف" عامل السكان من خلال الأموال التي حصلت عليها بشق الأنفس من بشاعة الضرائب.
الأرضية البشرية القائمة مشاكل كبيرة لا يمكن حلها إلا من خلال برنامج تحديد النسل هادفة ، الذي انخفض عدد السكان إلى المستوى الأمثل ، وفقا لحجم كوكب الأرض. جميع التدابير لحل المشاكل الحالية مبتذلة ، فريدة بائسة ، يرثى لها وغير مجدية للمحاولات التي لا تكاد تصل إلى المثل قطرة في دلو. هذا حل المشاكل بدلا من محاولات لا تخدم سوى في زيادة جميع العلل وصعوبات أكثر من ذلك.
ومن السكان الوحشية والمعاملة غير الانسانية وغير متسامح؟ لا! على العكس من ذلك ، لأنه فقط عندما يبدأ شخص ما للتفكير في هذه الحقائق منطقيا إذا كانت لم تفعل ذلك بالفعل وصلنا إلى نفس الاستنتاجات التي صادقين أو يجد الحقيقة التي تزامنت مع الحجة المذكورة آنفا. فقط شخص يفكر بطريقة غير منطقية ، والذي يتمسك زائفة وكاذبة والانسانية والخيرية ، وإنكار الحقيقة. هؤلاء الناس يجبرون على هذا اتلم طائفية مكائد والتعاليم الباطلة ، والتي تسبب لهم حبا مثل الكلاب ويسلبها كل صحية معقولة وطبيعية وصادقة الأفكار والمشاعر والأفعال. على هذا النحو فهي تهيمن صرفة الشفقة ، الشفقة الذاتية ، حماقة والمنطق ، بدلا من مشاعر التعاطف لجميع أشكال الحياة. واحترام الحياة الحقيقية نحو النهاية التي دمرتها المفكرين من غير المنطقي ، الذي يمهد الطريق لزائفة وكاذبة والانسانية والخيرية التي تتحول صديدي من الدمامل قادرة كما تنتشر الأوبئة.
هل من وحشية وغير انسانية عندما تكون القوانين والتوجيهات الصادرة عن طبيعة تتبع؟ رقم غير أنه من وحشية غير انسانية وغير متساهل فيه البشرية لا تزال تتشبث الاكتظاظ السكاني ، بل وحتى يدفع إليه ، بغض النظر عن الظروف والعواقب ، وذلك من أجل أن الملايين والملايين من الأطفال جديدة يمكن مولد. عدم سن تدابير صارمة لمنع الحمل لأسباب طائفية والمعتوه عاطفة ، رجل يعجل كل البؤس والمشاكل التي سوف تصبح أكبر وأكثر صعوبة في مكافحته ، وحيث لم يتم التوصل الى حل في النهاية ، أو الخلاص سيكون ممكنا.
ملاحظة : النص الوارد أعلاه هو مستخرج من المادة الكامل الذي كنت هنا لقراءة أوصت لمزيد من الفهم.
المطلوب اتخاذ تدابير على الصعيد الدولي
وهذا مجرد احتمال واحد من بين كثير!
وهذه التدابير تطبق على الجميع على الأرض باستثناء بعض الصغيرة ، مواطن القبائل بوش ، الذي مارست بنفسها شكل تدابير صارمة لمنع الحمل منذ زمن بعيد.
الحد الأدنى لسن الزواج
* الإناث : 25 سنة
* الذكور : 30 سنة
السن الدنيا للنسل
* الإناث : 28 سنة
* الذكور : 32 سنة
معايير التوليد
* الزواج القائم على الأقل من 3 سنوات
* والدليل على صحي ، زواج متناغم
* والدليل على سلوك لا غبار الزواج الشركاء
* والدليل على قدرتها على تربية الأطفال
* والدليل على صحة أي من الأمراض المعدية والوراثية ، أي إدمان أو العقاقير غير المشروعة أو الكحول ، الخ.
* لا انتماء الجماعات المتطرفة أو تخريبية
الحد الأقصى لعدد الأطفال
* 3 من الأطفال لكل زواج
تحديد النسل فاصلة
7 سنوات في جميع أنحاء العالم ، وفرض حظر كامل على ولادة 1 الإنجاب بموافقة السنة (بإذن) 7 سنوات في جميع أنحاء العالم ، وفرض حظر كامل على ولادة 1 الإنجاب بموافقة السنة (بإذن) التي يتعين الاضطلاع بها على هذا النحو إلى أن عدد سكان العالم قد وصلت إلى المستوى العادي ويقلل من 529000000
وفي وقت لاحق : التدابير المتعلقة إذن في الزواج والإنجاب لا تزال سارية ، ولكن في 7 سنوات من ولادة مراجعة حذفها.
تبقى نافذة
* 3 من الأطفال لكل زواج) أو (3) تعزيز / الأطفال بالتبني)
عقوبات لانتهاكات
1. غرامة تعادل 10 أجور سنوية لكل المجرمين 2. تعقيم المجرمين على حد سواء 3. خصي المجرمين أو التي تنطوي على اعتداء والاغتصاب ، وما إلى الجناة وعزلهم عن المجتمع حسب نوع الجنس من أجل الحياة 4. الجناة أطفال تؤخذ بعيدا عن الآباء والأمهات ورفع يد الدولة عن طريق تشجيع / الآباء بالتبني
انتبه! يرجى قراءة التفسير من 7 سنوات للتأكد من أن معدل المواليد هو الاكتظاظ السكاني التي نشرت في كتيب # 3!
الوحشية وغير الإنسانية
ما هو أكثر وحشية ولا إنسانية ، ومعادية لأحد fellowman والحياة؟
1. وقال العالم المكتظة بالسكان من قبل البشر ، وحيث الجوع والبؤس والحرمان وحشية وفاة حكم ؛ حيث الحروب والقتل وسفك الدماء ، والغش ، والتعذيب وعقوبة الإعدام تحدث يوميا ، بالإضافة إلى الاغتصاب ، والجريمة ، والكراهية ، والأوبئة ، والتدمير ، ونائب والإدمان ؛ حيث الكراهية ضد كل أشكال الحياة ، والتطرف ، والكذب والخداع وانحطاط تسود فيها الملايين من الناس يموتون يوميا ، ويعاني من آلام رهيبة ، أو الخضوع للالبائسة وفاة تحت التعذيب على أيدي جلاديهم ومنفذيها ، والناس من الجوع والبؤس؟
أو
2. وقال العالم التي يقل عدد سكانها عن متوسط النسب ، حيث كل العلل والمشاكل وأصبح البؤس وطبيعية صغيرة نسبيا. إن العالم الذي لا يحكمه الجوع والبؤس. إن العالم الذي الخوف من الحرب ، وجميع الشر ، خفضت الى حد احتمال عالمي موحد للسلام هو في الواقع ممكنا؟
هذا الشرط من شأنه وضع حد لخوف دائم من المستقبل ، وسيمهد الطريق لحياة المحبة والمنطق والعقل ، بين أمور أخرى.
لماذا لا نفكر في أي نوع من العالم تحب أن تعيش فيه؟ هل حقيقي وصادق والانسانية والمحبة والخير والحقيقة لا يتجاوز جميعا كاذبة والانسانية والخيرية الكاذبة والأكاذيب؟ قبل كل شيء أن تسأل نفسك : "ما هو نوع العالم لا اريد اولادي واحفادي العيش؟"
بيلي
النمو السكاني الأرض الخريطة
ووفقا لدراسة رئيسية أجرتها FIGU ، وبعد نمو سكان الأرض قد حدث ، ويتزايد يوما بعد يوم على النحو التالي :
تطور النمو السكاني على الأرض (في آخر سنة 2004)
الفترة الأولى العام الماضي والنمو / المجموع 1-500 102٬465٬703 +198847080 96٬381٬377 501-1000 198847080 293408074 +94560994 1001-1300 293٬408٬074 374٬079٬611 80٬671٬537 1301-1500 374٬079٬611 406100043 +32020432 1501-1600 406٬100٬043 463618432 57518389 1601-1700 +463618432 536٬718٬004 73099572 1701-1800 536718004 892333410 355615406 1801-1900 892333410 1660990034 768656624 1901-1905 1660990034 1689987973 28997939 1906-1910 1689987973 1810900001 120912028 1911-1915 1810900001 1844760039 33860038 1916-1920 1844760039 1912000432 67240393 1921-1925 1912000432 2008401932 96401500 1926-1930 2008401932 2207034890 198632958 1931-1935 2207034890 2350481002 143446112 1936-1940 2350481002 2400389101 49908099 1941-1945 2400389101 2550108498 149719397 1946-1950 2550108498 2600047000 49938502 1951-1955 2600047000 2784382444 184335444 1956-1960 2784382444 3050382081 265999637 1961-1963 3050382081 3250798000 200415919 1964-1966 3250798000 3500100000 249302000 1967-1969 3500100000 3700641801 200541801 1970-1972 3700641801 3783847320 83205519 1973-1975 3783847320 3889992910 106145590 1976-1978 3889992910 4090799983 200807073 1979-1981 4090799983 4604031892 513231909 1982-1984 4604031892 4800411000 196379108 1985-1987 4800411000 5149979380 349568380 1988-1990 5149979380 5367887093 217907713 1991-1993 5367887093 5876884097 508997004 1994-1996 5876884097 6204008014 327123917 1997-1999 6204008014 6634101302 430093288 2000-2002 6634101302 6905000109 270898807 2003-2005 6905000109 7503846002 598845893
نمو سكان الأرض (في السنة ، في اليوم ، ساعة والثانية)
فترة المدة (سنة) والنمو (المجموع في السنة لكل يوم في الساعة الواحدة في الثانية
1-500 500 +9638 1377 192٬763 528 22 0.01 501-1000 500 94٬560٬994 189٬122 518 22 0.01 1٬001-1300 300 80٬671٬537 268905 737 31 0.01 1301-1٬500 200 32020432 +160102 439 18 0.01 1501-1٬600 100 +57518389 +575184 1576 66 0.02 1٬601-1٬700 100 73099572 730996 2003 83 0.02 1701-1٬800 100 +355615406 3556154 +9743 406 0.11 1801-1٬900 100 768656624 7٬686٬566 21٬059 877 0.24 1901-1905 5 28٬997٬939 +5799588 15٬889 662 0.18 1٬906-1٬910 5 +120912028 24٬182٬406 +66253 2761 0.77 1911-1915 5 33٬860٬038 6٬772٬008 18553 773 0.21 1916-1920 5 67240393 13٬448٬079 36844 1535 0.43 1921-1٬925 5 96٬401٬500 +19280300 52٬823 2201 0.61 1926-1٬930 5 +198632958 39٬726٬592 108840 4535 1.26 1931-1935 5 143٬446٬112 28٬689٬222 78601 3275 0.91 1٬936-1٬940 5 49908099 9٬981٬620 27٬347 1139 0.32 1941-1945 5 +149719397 +29943879 +82038 3418 0.95 1946-1950 5 49٬938٬502 9987700 27٬364 1140 0.32 1951-1955 5 184335444 36867089 101٬006 4209 1.17 1956-1960 5 265٬999٬637 53٬199٬927 +145753 +6073 1.69 1961-1963 3 +200415919 66٬805٬306 183028 7626 2.12 1964-1966 3 +249302000 83٬100٬667 227673 9486 2.64 1967-1969 3 +200541801 66٬847٬267 183143 7631 2.12 1970-1972 3 +83205519 27735173 75987 3166 0.88 1973-1975 3 +106145590 35٬381٬863 +96937 4039 1.12 1976-1978 3 +200807073 +66935691 183385 7٬641 2.12 1979-1981 3 +513231909 171077303 468٬705 19٬529 5.42 1982-1984 3 +196379108 65٬459٬703 179342 7٬473 2.08 1985-1987 3 +349568380 +116522793 319٬241 13302 3.69 1988-1990 3 +217907713 72٬635٬904 199٬002 8292 2.3 1991-1993 3 508٬997٬004 +169665668 464837 +19368 5.38 1994-1996 3 327٬123٬917 109041306 298٬743 12448 3.46 1997-1999 3 +430093288 143364429 392779 16366 4.55 2000-2002 3 270٬898٬807 +90299602 247٬396 10٬308 2.86 2003-2005 3 +598845893 199615298 +546891 22787 6.33
المصدر :
* معلومات عن Ptaah من Erra ، Plejares © www.figu.org
* http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/ACrusadeAgainstOverpopulation/tabid/102/Default.aspx
* http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/PopulationStatistics/tabid/103/Default.aspx
قراءة أخرى
* الاكتظاظ صليبية
* الترجمة من 7 سنوات للتأكد من معدل المواليد
* الاكتظاظ قنبلة
توقيع العريضة
من خلال التوقيع على هذه العريضة انك تأييدها وإن كنت سوف تدعم مراقبة وقف الولادة حتى سكان الأرض قد بلغ 529000000.
Jamesm 12:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Thank you very very much Zhila, Behzad for the Farsi version. I have created a new topic from it but the formatting looks a little wrong. Can you please try to fix it? Especially the table headers. Also some of the text is surrounded by a dotted lined box. I think it would look better without it but your opinion supersedes mine here since you have command of the language.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Petition_For_Controlled_Birth_Stop_%28In_Farsi%29
Thanks!
Phenix 17:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Hello James,
I have just sent you an email regarding your message, here above, and the petition in Farsi.
Salome.
Jamesm 23:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Thanks for the Arabic petition, William!!!
Sahlomee3139 20:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC) I've tried to get the american media to pay attention to this story, but no reporter will go near it. It's not sensational, it doesn't sell magazines or increase ratings, and because of the insane religious cults in america and their beliefs about reproduction.
Renamed Petition For Controlled Birth Stop (In Farsi) to Petition For Controlled Birth Stop (In Arabic)
Sorry about the mix up! The Farsi version is still inbound I hear.
The Arabic version is at Petition For Controlled Birth Stop (In Arabic)
Arabic version
Jamesm 00:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Its now reachable from a link to it at the top of Special:Petition
Total number of signatures
Jamesm 00:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC) I've added the number of signatures to the Special:Petition page at the top. Only 51 so far :(
Phenix 13:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC) Greetings in peace James and all,
Information.
Reece Stiller, our friend Marksmanr from the Forum, is working on the video version of the petition to be launched on Youtube - a link would be posted here, as soon as it is online.
The signatures.
The collected number is rather low and it could indeed be better, but it is only a start. The task at hand is huge and it is likely to take generations to fulfill it.
So, let's work further and be inspired by the patience of Herr Meier.
Have neutral-positive vibes by the Peace Meditation of this evening!
Salome.
Obvious arguments for a global birth stoppage
- Fewer people = smaller petroleum demand = less carbon dioxide/monoxide produced by cars and industry
- Fewer people = reduced food demand = fewer trees cut down for farmland (e.g. Brazilian rainforest)
- Fewer people = reduced demand for everything which results in a reduced price/cost for everything (housing, energy, food)
- We are already causing climate change, species are going extinct and people are starving to death en masse which means that the population is obviously already too high. We just need to agree on a number to reduce it to.
Fixed problem with not being able to sign petition
Jamesm 17:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC) It was due to a mistake in my programming. Sorry.
Mark said ...
SPARKY said ...
no more large families,Just one child is enough,
--SPARKY 03:29, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Gaiachild said ...
I will never sign this, not in this life, cause i respect life and choices, it is not by given my wrights on an oppinion that it would save our world, things are done and if we are wrong then at this time it is too late, same for the global warn. Money money money and slaves we are for money that's only mather broth. They wouldn't have so many cash in Bank without so many workers, i mean tax payers, and money they have, this is the only reason we are here. So stop telling them to stop birth. If we reache the target needed the survivors wouldn't have enough life time to pay the taxe raise. Lolll
--Gaiachild 23:40, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Markvd said ...
I can see it now. All world leaders calling for a birth stop barricaded in a 2012 underground bunker. :) It will be hard for people to accept unless they are educated about the reasons why? The cause and effect list should be implemented or all hell will break loose.
--Markvd 01:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
When I was in high school way back then from 1992-1996 I remember we had a class of 50 people which could only seat about 35ish. It is now 2010 and our brilliant leaders have still not learned math. I have a feeling unfortunately businesses are to blame once again with there power they hold over governments. How can they make money unless the people keep coming. Our world I fear will always be overpopulated because money is the main goal of a majority of the poplulace. Unfortunately knowledge and common sense has lost it's grasp on our current generation of man.
--Mark 20:47, 5 June 2010 (BST)